Cruciate, blown agin 3wks after surgery wwyd

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waiting for a lift to vets as cars broken, but she seems in more pain than after the surgery-i am thinking if its not infection causing pain and swelling that i need to PTS, as she has been crated and out on short lead only. vet check yesterday morning was great but this morning she can hardly move
 
oh heck sorry to hear about this

my old girl did her cruciate in and fortunately it was successfully repaired, but if it hadn't we would of had to pts .. if she had of been 10 years younger then we might of thought about amputation but as she as 12 ish that wasn't an option

speak to your vet it might not be as drastic as you think, dunno about you but I always think the worst ..

good luck!
 
Sorry to hear that. Can you not just leave it to repair? My m-in-laws border terrier had one op on one side then when the other side went someone (not a vet) recommended she just left it and did restricted exercise she is now as sound as a pound and it got better quicker than the surgery one.
Hope yours is OK.
 
JeanetteMerryXmas said:
oh heck sorry to hear about this

my old girl did her cruciate in and fortunately it was successfully repaired, but if it hadn't we would of had to pts .. if she had of been 10 years younger then we might of thought about amputation but as she as 12 ish that wasn't an option

speak to your vet it might not be as drastic as you think, dunno about you but I always think the worst ..

good luck!
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i am the same always think the worst-been in to vets and the repair feels good, its swollen and hot and she has a temperature so treating for infection-nothing with her is ever straight forward. she was given the ok by the surgeon yesterday for hydrotherapy as the repair was so stable. have to take her back tomorrow for check and more injectable antibiotics (she says 'boy do they sting', she says it loud and long too).

she did this one by crashing into a tree at full tilt with four legs, three legs with her would not be an option
 
Clodagh said:
Sorry to hear that. Can you not just leave it to repair? My m-in-laws border terrier had one op on one side then when the other side went someone (not a vet) recommended she just left it and did restricted exercise she is now as sound as a pound and it got better quicker than the surgery one.
Hope yours is OK.
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our vets recommend allowing them to heal naturally for smaller dogs approx under 10kg, but over that they recommend surgery. she had also damaged the meniscus (cushion on the end of the bone) so surgery was the only option for her and she is 23kg so it would probably have the course of action taken anyway.

thanx for your replies-fingers crossed AGAIN!
 
oh phew thats good news then .. hopefully the temperature and swelling goes down soon enough

I hear Hydro is good for dogs for repairing cruciates so I hope that all goes well

my old girl did hers trying to fall down the stairs, she went over backwards but as I was behind her I caught her but the damage was done .. she recovered well though and altho always athritic it never stopped her doing anything, but she was on painkillers for the rest of her days
 
Glad to hear its not what you first thought, you sound like me always preparing for the worst scenario, hopefully the ABs will soon have it under control and you can start the hydratherapy.
 
I had cruciate no 4 done in July. I have 2 rotts and they have both now had 2 each done!! Sage healed well and 6 months down the line we were almost back to normal with her. I came home one night last week to find her not weight bearing at all on it!! It seems she has damaged the menicus which apparently is common!! She may or may not need a further minor surgery to remove it. Dogs eh....who'd have 'em!! :rolleyes:
 
My rott wrecked his cruciate repair when he jumped a baby gate the day he returned from the RVC - 3 months later he had that fixed alongside the other one and that time he picked up an MRI type infection as well.

He was on strong antibiotics for 6+ weeks until the swabs of the wound site showed clear. He had the fishing line ops and he had busted both crucites at the same time FWIW.

Hydrotherapy really, really helped him (but he didn't start that until a couple of years later at 5yo).
 
My American Bulldog has just had this - his now post 5 weeks, and although improving he's still not great. The vet checked him again last week and was happy with progress.

He is crated, thankfully willingly. He's just started doing the few stairs down to our toilet area (thank god as my & husbands arms were about to drop off lifting him 6 times daily!)

He weighs nearly 7 1/2 stone, so needed an operation to correct, he also did his menicus!

Will be interesting to compare progress with your girl? keep us updated.
 
FayeFriesian said:
My American Bulldog has just had this - his now post 5 weeks, and although improving he's still not great. The vet checked him again last week and was happy with progress.

He is crated, thankfully willingly. He's just started doing the few stairs down to our toilet area (thank god as my & husbands arms were about to drop off lifting him 6 times daily!)

He weighs nearly 7 1/2 stone, so needed an operation to correct, he also did his menicus!

Will be interesting to compare progress with your girl? keep us updated.
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she was out walking for 10-15mins 3-4 times per day and using the leg well, but not completely sound. she was showing a really good range of movement over the joint doing full front and back stretches when i got her out of the crate.
no pain on manipulation but she did not have before surgery.
she is crated too as she is a bouncer
 
Is she now fully weight baring? but also sometimes still toeing?

Obi's leg also clicks, but cannot work out if thats his other corresponding front leg! Does your dogs leg click?

I have just started the walks... be interesting to see if it improves further once the muscles re-develop.
 
FayeFriesian said:
Is she now fully weight baring? but also sometimes still toeing?

Obi's leg also clicks, but cannot work out if thats his other corresponding front leg! Does your dogs leg click?

I have just started the walks... be interesting to see if it improves further once the muscles re-develop.
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as of this morning not using it all :(

no no clicking-are you giving joint supplements at the loading dose, everyone i have spoken to has agreed the loading dose should be given for at least 6wks. also cartrophen has been recommended but my lurcher has arthritis starting in the joint already so that may not apply in your case. i am really lucky cos i work at and for a vet so have 7 vets opinions at my finger tips so to speak as all their views vary slightly its helpful to speak to a cross section about it all

look up a site called 'top dog' cruciate home rehabilitation guide-i got the ok from 3 vets at work about the guidance it gives and they were all very impressed with it. you can download it and they also email you every week ad have a facebook page-i have so far found it really helpful.

i am still not convinced wiht my girl that she has not ruptured it again but the next couple of days will tell, the surgeon is not in till tues so fingers crossed, but i wont be repeating the surgery if its ruptured then thats it i cant keep putting her through it
 
I hope you have a good report from the vet - it may very well just be a minor setback.

That said, I had a similar situation with a very active dog who did not deal at all well with the rehab. When the repair broke down just as she was supposed to be recovered I decided not to put her through it again, it was just too much for her. Just saying it is not always the right choice to do something just because you can, no matter what choices other people may make in different situations.

Fingers crossed for good news,
 
What a nightmare, luckily both mine where weight bearing immediately and their recovery a breeze, I did have my very own bionic vet, but my 2 are both pretty calm (or atleast can be kept in a calm state) my akitas was particurlarly bad and she recovered almost instantly. My rotti has has both her hind legs repaired a year apart you cannot tell either dog has ever had surgery.

Good luck with ongoing recovery.
 
really not looking good,she is on 2 diff types of antibiotics and the swelling that was soft and fluidy and tracking down to her hock is now becoming firmer-she is on metacam and another pain killer and seems a lot happier in herself/temperature has gone down but the swelling wont go, i don't think i am gonna get a good start to the year. i have no car either so will be difficult to get to the vets for new years day as its emergency surgery 10-10.30 only.

bloody hell what next, she is such a sweet dog and only 5yrs 9months
 
cbmcts said:
My rott wrecked his cruciate repair when he jumped a baby gate the day he returned from the RVC - 3 months later he had that fixed alongside the other one and that time he picked up an MRI type infection as well.

He was on strong antibiotics for 6+ weeks until the swabs of the wound site showed clear. He had the fishing line ops and he had busted both crucites at the same time FWIW.

Hydrotherapy really, really helped him (but he didn't start that until a couple of years later at 5yo).
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the problem for mine as i understand it is the surgical wound is good it looks like the joint thats infected
 
JingleJools1234 said:
really not looking good,she is on 2 diff types of antibiotics and the swelling that was soft and fluidy and tracking down to her hock is now becoming firmer-she is on metacam and another pain killer and seems a lot happier in herself/temperature has gone down but the swelling wont go, i don't think i am gonna get a good start to the year. i have no car either so will be difficult to get to the vets for new years day as its emergency surgery 10-10.30 only.

bloody hell what next, she is such a sweet dog and only 5yrs 9months
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ooh my old girls used to swell up, filled with fluid you could swoosh about inside its pocket of skin, then it would go again then come back, it was always coming and going untill the day she died, so that might not be something you have to worry about either

its a pain having no car isn't it, I remember it cost me £600 for my girls op then over £600 in taxi fares getting her to and from the vets for all her check ups, and restitching/stapling
 
JingleJools1234 said:
the problem for mine as i understand it is the surgical wound is good it looks like the joint thats infected
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I think it was the same for my dog - it's just that the fluid being tested was at the wound site IIYSWIM.

I'm not a million miles away from you - I can give you a lift to/from the vets any morning this week, if that helps? Genuine offer.
 
Hi all
update on Lil lurcher, we saw the surgeon weds morning and he feels sure it is not an infection but that possibly she has tweaked the joint (although he is not convinced), he is a bit confused that the swelling is always limited to the same area, good news is when manipulated it all feels stable. every time the joint is manipulated though the swelling comes up over the implant/suture line and this is the only place we are seeing any swelling now. the first lot of heat and swelling came up within 2 hrs of it first being manipulated after surgery. so there is a remote possibility that what we are seeing is still a reaction to the internal sutures or the implants themselves.
we are giving her a week to see if it improves as she is a lot more comfortable, there is improvement but it is very slow, as in she is not carrying the leg as high as she was and is just starting to use it to have a very gentle scratch.
so good news and a dog that is no longer at risk of the blue juice just yet:)

cbmcts thank you so much for your kind offer and if ever there is a time you need a hand don't hesitate to ask
 
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