Cruel abbattoir workers strike again

BoolavogueDC said:
How come that footage from that carehome got used then? (not directed at you of course Kenzo)

Surely that sets a precedent?
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Good point. I think there is one rule for humans, another for animals. After all, they are just animals, right?

It sickens me to the stomach. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Whilst most people who work in abbatoirs are good people, undoubtably, some are attracted to the job because they are sadists, just like paedophiles are attracted to jobs working with children.

It is just this kind of thing that turned me vegetarian 6 years ago. I loved eating meat but just could not bear the way we pack them into lorries and send them to the abbatoir. They can smell the blood when they arrive and hear the squeals etc. It's inhumane IMO even when there is no intended abuse involved. I don't think eating meat is wrong, just the way it is farmed, transported and killed. If all people who reared animals for meat were as caring as those who take them only a short distance to a local abbatoir, or better still, have them slaughtered on the premises, then animals welfare would have taken an enourmous step. The main problem is that meat is just too cheap. :mad:
 
I agree Wagtail, I am trying to work my OH round to really taking an active interest in where his lambs are going to end up. He works so hard and they have a lovely life while here with us BUT once they go to market they are waved off and that's the end of it. I'd like to get him to pay more attention, if possible (and I am a huge novice when it comes to this) to where they end up and how they get there! I know this is the same for a lot of farmers, that they put a lot of time and love into their stock only for some shite bag to treat it with evil and abuse at the end :( saddens me this could happen to our lambs who are happilly playing outside the window.

Like you its not their death that irks me, but the way they get there :(
 
BoolavogueDC said:
I agree Wagtail, I am trying to work my OH round to really taking an active interest in where his lambs are going to end up. He works so hard and they have a lovely life while here with us BUT once they go to market they are waved off and that's the end of it. I'd like to get him to pay more attention, if possible (and I am a huge novice when it comes to this) to where they end up and how they get there! I know this is the same for a lot of farmers, that they put a lot of time and love into their stock only for some shite bag to treat it with evil and abuse at the end :( saddens me this could happen to our lambs who are happilly playing outside the window.

Like you its not their death that irks me, but the way they get there :(
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At the end of the day, the problem is cost. Meat has just been made too cheap and available. In an ideal world, I would like to see it all free range, with funds made available for slaughter facilities on site. If meat was made say 10 times as expensive and once again became a luxury and not an every day thing, then we might stand some chance of improving animal welfare. But with competition from abroad and supermarkets squeezing suppliers left right and centre, I see the meat industry (including the slaughter) becoming more and more slap dash as speed becomes more important.
 
I see your point. We're lucky in that OH does his sheep as a hobby 100% and by that measure can afford to put everything into it his end, but I feel for people who do it as a living, must be a nightmare.
 
JosieB said:
I have just seen in soapbox that the company were on tv this morning. They will be going to the police, not to prosecute the evil torturing gits who were killing the pigs but to find who put the secret camera up. What arrsouls.
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Disgusting. All they can think about is the money and they'd obviously much rather be oblivious to the inhumane slaughter of all of these pigs. My stepdad owns the local butcher's shop and all the meat is sourced from places where the animal had a happy life and a quick and painless death.
 
Kenzo said:
I think it would be very wrong to assume that just because you work in a slaughter house you are not an animal lover, that is like saying that all meat eaters are not animal lovers which is simply not true.

It’s not a pleasant job but someone has to do it, it needs to be done as in a humane and proffessional way and everyone should take pride in their work no matter what is it they have to do, for person who is doing that day in and day out (correctly) to earn money for their family, then I take my hat off to them.
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So do we assume you have been in slaughterhouses on a regular basis? Well here`s someone who has..and I stand by what I said. It`s a job to be done for them ,humanity does`nt come into it,they are hardened/numbed whatever you care to call it,any animal lover could not do that job.
 
Kenzo said:
I can't understand why undercover filming cases can't be prosecuted.

DEFRA ....your a joke.
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Similar problems in USA following Conklin Dairy Farms undercover filming of abuse. Secret filming is now illegal in some States I believe. :rolleyes:
Once again money before animal welfare... :mad:
 
FFS that is worse than an actual farming video I saw in the correct slaughter if chicken, and that made not eat chicken.

I am in tears, not just because of tthe cruelty but the pleasure that vis obviously being taken, the monster saying yeah har was the biscuit had to turn off then.

It is not a nice job, but one that has to be done, but to take so much joy out of it's last moments is just plain sick
 
EAST KENT said:
So you think workers in a slaughterhouse will be animal lovers?
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You are talking total c**p actually. Slaughter men don't hate animals. They are (the majority of them) professional skilled people who carry out a depressing job to the best of their ability. And yes they are numb to it but only like A&E doctors are numb to people dying in front of them, or midwives delivery still born babies, or people working on a conveyor belt with the day old chicks throwing them into the mincer. My ex boyfriend Martin was a slaughter man in Ireland for four years before coming over to Britain to live. To him it was just a job. He didn't like what he did but he didn't torture animals for his living prior to slaughtering them. He came and lived with Irish friends in Birmingham and managed to get work at the Halal meat factory in Highgate. He lasted less than a week before walking out and was in tears when he told me the awful things that they did to the animals in the name of Alah. It had really distressed him and he wanted no part of it. He was a kind and thoughtful person and hadn't got the slightest cruel streak in him. He was the type that would find an injured bird and try to nurse it back to health.

He was very much an animal lover and used to love coming to dog shows with my dog and I. He used to dream along with me about one day getting our own horse which was incredibly difficult when we were both in our early twenties, both unemployed and stuck living in an awfully depressing part of the city both never thinking but always hoping that the dream could come true. Only one of us had our dreams come true and that was me.

Martin really did love animals but when he lived in Ireland he lived in Tipperary it wasn't exactly a prosperous place to live and he had to take what jobs he could. He didn't have any choice but was very compassionate towards the animals that were to be slaughtered. I was with him for two years and he never had showed any violence or cruel streak he was just kindness through and through.

Sometimes people East Kent talk such bull***T especially when they are ignorant to the facts.
 
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Our school took us to an abattoir they said we were to dress up in angels and things as it was Christmas and we were to sing xmas carols , I remember walking down the isle and them calling a cow over to the side in front of us and killing it then. Also a large square platform covered in spikes came down and landed on a pen of rabbits they were skewered like peas on a fork i was so distressed by this i told my mum who in turn phoned the school and complained. This memory haunts me to this day .:(

There is no need for animals to go through pain and torture before being slaughtered, those guys in the video were stabbing fags out on them and laughing . Those people should not be working there poor piggies , feel so sorry for them , they may be animals but they still feel pain , and fear they are after all a living breathing thing.

shame the people eating them don't know how the piggies died.
one things for sure I will never eat horse meat that make my stomac turn over

blahhhhhhhhhh
 
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Thankyou Applecart..your friend was an animal lover and the job depressed him.I did`nt say anywhere that these workers "hated" animals...but to them it is just a job..exactly as you state . To do that work and not be affected by it means switching off/numbing else they`d all be downing Prozac and whisky to survive.
 
EAST KENT said:
So do we assume you have been in slaughterhouses on a regular basis? Well here`s someone who has..and I stand by what I said. It`s a job to be done for them ,humanity does`nt come into it,they are hardened/numbed whatever you care to call it,any animal lover could not do that job.
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How can you say that!! I take offence to that.

My father was a slaughterman. He took a great deal of pride in his work and is in no way numb or hardened to death. You would have only had to see him in floods of tears when his dog died!

He is a true animal lover and did what was a difficult job in a humane way.
 
Actually I agree with EK in that as an animal lover I couldn't do that job. I could not kill an animal ever and nor could most people because we only ever see our meat on the shelves in Sainsbury'a and you can divorce yourself from the process to get it there.

However I do hope there are animal lovers or at least those who respect the animals that can be slaughter men because at least they would ensure the animal is dispatched as well as could be hoped.

The trouble is we see examples of people working with animals who are anything but animal lovers ie those who were hitting Annie the Elephant as another example. These people mentioned in this thread, the Bernard Matthews turkey abusers, all these identify to joe public that people doing this job are not animal lovers.
 
I think that pretty much sums up why our pork is wandering around in the field across the road from the sitting room... they're collected from a local breeder at 8 weeks, when they're finished we take them to the local slaughter house to be dispatched and collect them the same day, we take them to the local butcher and discuss which cuts we want & how we want it done and then we collect the meat the next day and it goes in the freezer!

We also breed our own lambs and they lead exactly the same life but go to a local farmer rather than the slaughter house... obviously it's harder to eat something that you've fed and looked after but it gives you a far greater piece of mind. You know where they've been, what they've eaten and how they've been treated every day of their lives.
...... and it tastes soooo much better for living a 'free range' life! :)
 
RedsandStud said:
I think that pretty much sums up why our pork is wandering around in the field across the road from the sitting room... they're collected from a local breeder at 8 weeks, when they're finished we take them to the local slaughter house to be dispatched and collect them the same day, we take them to the local butcher and discuss which cuts we want & how we want it done and then we collect the meat the next day and it goes in the freezer!

We also breed our own lambs and they lead exactly the same life but go to a local farmer rather than the slaughter house... obviously it's harder to eat something that you've fed and looked after but it gives you a far greater piece of mind. You know where they've been, what they've eaten and how they've been treated every day of their lives.
...... and it tastes soooo much better for living a 'free range' life! :)
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What a fab life and end for your animals. :)
 
sprite1978 said:
However.....and I may be wrong, but most big supermarkets have their own slaughter houses for raw meat products. Its possible that these types of slaughter houses may supply local butchers, and processed meat manufacturers. This makes boycotting individual products very difficult.
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That is wrong I'm afraid, Supermarkets tender out for all their own branded products they dont make any products themselves. They take very few investment risks preferring to pass that on to their suppliers.

Sorry I haven't read all the posts but just wanted to add. If want to eat meat as ethically as you can , then eat organic. Abattoirs have to meet high welfare standards to process organic livestock. They are audited and although this isn't fool proof, its a better start than a lot. Organic meat has to have been slaughtered in a licensed abattoir. It's an option at least.
 
Azbo said:
That is wrong I'm afraid, Supermarkets tender out for all their own branded products they dont make any products themselves. They take very few investment risks preferring to pass that on to their suppliers.

Sorry I haven't read all the posts but just wanted to add. If want to eat meat as ethically as you can , then eat organic. Abattoirs have to meet high welfare standards to process organic livestock. They are audited and although this isn't fool proof, its a better start than a lot. Organic meat has to have been slaughtered in a licensed abattoir. It's an option at least.
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The problem with that is that we have to produce food for the poor,
and the better qualitied ethically produced foods are dearer. Personally I hate seeing someone buy cheap eggs n meat and I wish they would eat less of it but better farmed / welfare foods.
 
BBH said:
The problem with that is that we have to produce food for the poor,
and the better qualitied ethically produced foods are dearer. Personally I hate seeing someone buy cheap eggs n meat and I wish they would eat less of it but better farmed / welfare foods.
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This is true, we are also in a situation where Supermarkets have such a strangle hold on the food markets they are able to dictate prices and keep them unrealistically low. It puts their suppliers into a situation where they are squeezed to the point that they have to cut corners and keep cost down. These squeezes are passed down the supply chains and on to producers. This will also impact on services along the line, such as abattoirs. They will in turn need to keep their cost down and this could easily manifest into a situation where welfare is neglected and employees bad conduct isn't properly dealt with.
 
The thing is, poor or not, we do not NEED to eat so much meat. Studies have shown that people who eat very little meat or only fish or are vegetarian, live longer on average than those eating meat every day. However, vegans do not do very well either! But the amount of protien we need every day is equivalent to a two inch round of steak.
 
the dalai lama said 'from the buddhist point of view, all LIVING BEINGS -that is, being with FEELINGS, EXPERIENCES AND SENSATIONS- are considered EQUAL, humans can live without eating meat and our natural tendence is towards vegitarianism, and revulsion at harming other creatures.

i think animals are just like us same emotions etc, pain, affection, jealousy, fear, joy and love, they are just different in that they cannot express with a voice etc.
 
tristar said:
they are just different in that they cannot express with a voice etc.
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I always say they have got a voice - a language . We don't understand it but they have , as a dog has.

I don't understand German any more than i understand dog language.

The girl found in london living in the tunnels had NEVER LEARN T TO SPEAK she grunted moaned and made noise.
Indian is allot of winning and screeching . Cats meaow is more pleasant to listen to. lol
 
Dobiegirl said:
So if my understanding is correct the agency has seen to it that both slaughterman have been dismissed but Defra will not prosecute because the evidence is via a third party.wtf:eek:
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I don't understand why CCTV is not installed as a standard in places like this. If companies such as this let their staff know this is unacceptable behaviour and they are being monitored, surely the chances of it happening are decreased?

Unfortunately most people eat meat - me included, so abattoirs are a necessity, the cruelty however is not. Disgusting behaviour.
 
Terrible treatment of an intelligent animal. I do know a slaughterman though, & he is a very careing individual who goes out of his way to do his job humanely.
 
tristar said:
the dalai lama said 'from the buddhist point of view, all LIVING BEINGS -that is, being with FEELINGS, EXPERIENCES AND SENSATIONS- are considered EQUAL, humans can live without eating meat and our natural tendence is towards vegitarianism, and revulsion at harming other creatures.

i think animals are just like us same emotions etc, pain, affection, jealousy, fear, joy and love, they are just different in that they cannot express with a voice etc.
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This hits the nail on the head for me!
 
i worked in an Aattoir when i was a 15yr old lass..
my ex was and still is a qualified slaughterman
i forwarded this to him...and as TFC would ban me, i shant repeat his remarks.
he is a caring man and would never subject any animal to this type of treatment
 
'S'teamed said:
i worked in an Aattoir when i was a 15yr old lass..
my ex was and still is a qualified slaughterman
i forwarded this to him...and as TFC would ban me, i shant repeat his remarks.
he is a caring man and would never subject any animal to this type of treatment
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Its a pity he wasnt here in Cumbria during F&M "S"teamed, our farm was taken out and the slaughter was almost barbaric. After that I worked for DEFRA, some slaughter teams were brilliant, some couldnt give a damn about the animals, more keen on banter amongst themselves.
 
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