Esmae
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My money went to the Doberman with the Fox Terrier reserve. Wasn't enamoured with the OES at all.
Crufts roll call!
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Spotherisk
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I loved the wire fox terrier, the wolfhound and the poodle. I had not heard of the breed which won and liked the confirmation in general but not the head shape, very merry sturdy little dog though.
Squeak
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The head shape is very much enhanced/ created by grooming, when you see them wet/ trimmed differently it's a normal shaped head.
I really loved the wire fox terrier too, that would have been my winner if I'd been picking.
Errin Paddywack
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I would have gone for the wire fox terrier too, lovely dog.
islander
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The wire fox was lovely, even in full show trim. l loved seeing my favourite breeds, deerhound, Dalmatian, smooth collie and Airedale. I’m sort of relieved they didn’t get further as everyone might want one and they would be churned out like sausages by unscrupulous breeders.
CorvusCorax
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Crufts is run by the KC, they are not two separate entities?
skinnydipper
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It's within the Kennel Club's own guidance (I think it is a bit strong to call them 'rules') that a stud can breed from 12 months old. The dog has been tested under the BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme.
I'm not excusing it but what is allowed is what will continue.
I'm not excusing it but what is allowed is what will continue.
shortstuff99
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I liked the Cavalier, he didn't seem so extreme in the head. I also loved the winner and was just really glad it wasn't a poodle AGAIN 
MurphysMinder
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Also, the dam is showing as hereditary clear for some other conditions, the sire is American so his results won't be on the KC site but if he is clear too then the BoB winner would be hereditary clear. Either way it is sensationalist and untrue to say the dog is untested.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It's not perfect compared to some systems (as mentioned, if the dog is not KC registered, the results will not show up) but just for anyone who is interested
www.thekennelclub.org.uk
Health Test Results Finder | The Kennel Club
Search for any health results for a dog registered on our breed register. View health screening or DNA testing scheme results recorded by us.
www.thekennelclub.org.uk
MurphysMinder
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It's not perfect compared to some systems (as mentioned, if the dog is not KC registered, the results will not show up) but just for anyone who is interested
Health Test Results Finder | The Kennel Club
Search for any health results for a dog registered on our breed register. View health screening or DNA testing scheme results recorded by us.
For some tests, done at outside clinics, it is up to the owner to forward the certificate on to KC. I didn't realise this until I was checking KC site after Pickle's most recent PLL test . He is a carrier so not affected but there has been a case of a carrier dog developing the condition so I like to just keep an eye on things, pun intended.
MurphysMinder
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Full marks to the Lagotto breed club who have put up a post going into great detail about the pros and cons of the breed, health testing needed and warning people off Pets4homes and similar websites.
Clodagh
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I always imagine responsible breeder’s heart’s sink when their breed wins Crufts!
palo1
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It must be a real double edged victory! I love to see my 'favourite' breeds doing well at Crufts but am always somewhat relieved when they don't win. I did love that Fox Terrier and they are vulnerable so possibly could do with a bit more attention but they were recently I think voted one of the hardest to train breeds. Hordes of people acquiring one and then not training them would be not great...
blackcob
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I know the KC health test recording is far from perfect (my own dog has results not shown because they don't recognise that test for our breed) but they do record heart and SM testing for cavvies, which that dog doesn't appear to have had. Poor show not to use the available and recommended schemes when you have a 'high profile' breed, IMO.
ArklePig
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The first thing Mr AP said yesterday was great now every eejit will be wanting one. I imagine with them being cute and curly haired they'll appeal to a certain kind (the kind who want their dog to look and act like a stuffed toy) so nice as you say that the breed club is trying to get ahead of the inevitable. I'd never heard of them before but I really liked Orca she was a star.
druid
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They can be used earlier. Ian Openshaw bred from his ESS dog Rytex Ringo at 7 months old ver recently
druid
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It's not perfect compared to some systems (as mentioned, if the dog is not KC registered, the results will not show up) but just for anyone who is interested
Health Test Results Finder | The Kennel Club
Search for any health results for a dog registered on our breed register. View health screening or DNA testing scheme results recorded by us.
And tests done via ANKC or using a reg number outsde the UK don't show. My own stud dogs Hips and Elbows are on there but not his eyes or DNA as they were done via his IKC reg not UK
MurphysMinder
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If you look up my gsd pup on the kc site you would only see one health tested dog in her pedigree , in reality everything several generations back has European a stamps etc .
blackcob
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And what fun that was for a newbie to navigate when buying the progeny of two imported dogs
Can anyone really know what they've got at 7 months that's already worth using?
Edit: I'm reminded that I'm always surprised by how much gundog sires are used, that dog's already sired 24 litters and his sire over 300 - I gave up counting!
Can anyone really know what they've got at 7 months that's already worth using?
Edit: I'm reminded that I'm always surprised by how much gundog sires are used, that dog's already sired 24 litters and his sire over 300 - I gave up counting!
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druid
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And what fun that was for a newbie to navigate when buying the progeny of two imported dogs
Can anyone really know what they've got at 7 months that's already worth using?
Edit: I'm reminded that I'm always surprised by how much gundog sires are used, that dog's already sired 24 litters and his sire over 300 - I gave up counting!
He made him up to a FTCh in one season and placed at the Championship, so yes I guess he did know what he had.
Boulty
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Re the Cavalier I think what the FB post was getting at is that the dog is below the age it is recommended to start doing heart scanning and below the age the breed club for this particular breed recommends it is best practice to wait until before breeding. Given the issues with MVD in the breed it would be considered the best practice to wait until after this age to breed. Re genetic testing the poster above who states that if both parents are genetically clear (ie totally negative & not carriers) it may not be strictly necessary to test him if it’s impossible for him to carry those diseases.
I did like him as an example of the breed in terms of having a fairly moderate head shape, looking like he could breathe although he maybe didn’t have that “look at me “ presence of some of the other dogs.
I did like him as an example of the breed in terms of having a fairly moderate head shape, looking like he could breathe although he maybe didn’t have that “look at me “ presence of some of the other dogs.
SusieT
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He knew the dog was not going to develop any heritable disease, be prone to soundness issues, be prone to gut or skin problems in a dog too young to show many of these signs? He must have a great crystal ball... I wouldn't support xl bully breeders breeding as soon as a dog is physically capable of but I wouldn't be surprised. Sad to hear it's happening in sporting dog circles though not totally surprised either- it has a fair bit of wastage that it doesn't admit to. We can do better. There is no reason to use a 7 month old dog beyond greed and impatience.
SusieT
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The cavalier having so many litters at his age with so much heritable disease in that breed is super disappointing I have to say - I hadn't seen that elsewhere.
druid
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Ian doesn't health test for anything in his ESS to my knowledge so none of that would bother him in the slightest. All they care about is working ability, sadly.
MurphysMinder
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He is local to me , a bit of a marmite character .
druid
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You cant deny he's able to produce champion after champion in the field but marmite is a good description
Clodagh
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And it doesn’t matter if they are crippled by 5.
druid
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Rytex Reba who won the UK champs in 2017 and was sold to USA is still trialling out there, Im pretty sure she's a 2014 bred.