Cruising mare - some help please

Lark

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We are going the ET route with our Cruising mare this year. She will be covered back to Mermus R which is the easy part but now I need to come up with Daddy number 2 and fairly quickly.

There genuinely is so many stallions I would love to use that deciding on one is desperately difficult.

Mare: Cruising x Parkmore Night, Chestnut. 16.1hh, slightly long of her back, good confirmation, light to middle weight. Very good movement and technique. Sweet but can worry.
The foal must be commercial first and foremost.

I would greatly appreciate opinions from a buyers perspective; please also feel free to suggest an alternative.

List so far.
Kannan - dual purpose, commercial and temperament - cons, I don't want complications.
Lux Z - I have never used him previously but could work very well - cons, might be a bit hot, also he has covered a lot of mares so may be less commercial?
Balou du Rouet - Beautiful and using him on a Guidam. Cons, might be a tad small although the mares yearling is about 14.2 already if not more so may not be an issue.
Spartacus - Huge/Power jumper. Cons, young unproven sire and probably not as well known in these parts.
Peppermill - Like Spartacus a huge power jumper. I have one due in a couple of weeks but in terms of sales price I have not seen any go through the ring as yet.
Royal Concorde - Lovely horse - not 100% as to his commercial attractiveness as yet.
Mighty Magic - Stunning horse and stunning breeding. Cons, I have not had any experience of his progeny. I cannot think of another TB that would particularly suit her right now.

From a commercial stand point Arko would probably be the safest bet however I would question if the mix would be regarded as tricky.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.
 
Well no comments as I don't know showjumping stallions well but wouldn't a Lux cross Cruising be a rather volatile mix ?

Have a royal Concorde foal & foal is a massive improvement on her mother, she is much more athletic, shorter in the back and a much saner/easier temperament. Agree that he is not a very commercial stallion tho!

What about his brother Carmena Z? As that damline is so amazing & think that Carmena has rave reviews& may be doing the olympics?
 
Well no comments as I don't know showjumping stallions well but wouldn't a Lux cross Cruising be a rather volatile mix ?

Have a royal Concorde foal & foal is a massive improvement on her mother, she is much more athletic, shorter in the back and a much saner/easier temperament. Agree that he is not a very commercial stallion tho!

What about his brother Carmena Z? As that damline is so amazing & think that Carmena has rave reviews& may be doing the olympics?

Thank you Seabiscuit.
Someone I know quite well has broken an awful lot of Lux's and he has actually found them fine to deal with. He suggested that I consider Lux for her but as you say the perception is out there that this could be a hot cross so may not the clever route to take.

The RC foal sounds terrific and the damline is to die for. I don't know a whole lot about Carmena Z either but will take a look.
 
What about Valent? Hors La Loi X Lux.

Go to irishsport.tv and look at his round from Balmoral and Coilog Premier League shows last year to see just how amazingly athletic he is. Then go to the HSI stallion inspection results from last year and see the scores he got in his inspection last year. He blew the requirements away. He's a special horse

http://www.horsesportireland.ie/_fi...Horse_Studbook/ISH_Valent_result_06.05.11.pdf

Pacino??
 
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What about Carentino Glory, saw him at Hartpury and i was really impressed with him, super movement, very athletic and a fabulous jump to him? Like Don Vhp but may be to big and not enough blood, jumps the moon though?!! Cant beat a nice Concorde stallion though!!!!! :)
 
Thanks Eothain.
I have seen him in the flesh and yes he is a special horse; I have been back and forward on him a few times but the fact he is a young sire is a risk from a commercial stand point. Unless of course you want to make an offer in Utero :D that might twist my arm.
Have heard some whispers on Pacino that put me off.

Koeffee Carentino Gold is super but not very well known over here :( For a keeper definitely but for a seller it might be more difficult.

Cruiseline, I am am starting to think a double dose of Balou might just be the right way to go and I have just found out we can buy it per dose (which is very good quality) so that is looking very attractive.
 
I'm great at making offers in utero and kicking tyres and thinking I'm going to be able to afford things. It's the part where I've to actually pay is the issue!!! I do however intend to have many many horses go through the yard here by Valent and Pacino.

I'm taking an Ojasper X Flagmount King mare up to Pacino this year and have a Puissance X Furisto mare due to foal to him in the next few days. Whispers ... meh!!! Hermes De Reve is also proving to be a sire worth taking more notice of! Riverside Ace won a good class in Lummen.

Another one to consider ... Couleur Rubin! Commercial and a sire of proper jumpers.
http://www.dressurleistungszentrum.de/index.php?id=136&L=2 ... ...If only I were a rich man!
 
I'm great at making offers in utero and kicking tyres and thinking I'm going to be able to afford things. It's the part where I've to actually pay is the issue!!! I do however intend to have many many horses go through the yard here by Valent and Pacino.

I'm taking an Ojasper X Flagmount King mare up to Pacino this year and have a Puissance X Furisto mare due to foal to him in the next few days. Whispers ... meh!!! Hermes De Reve is also proving to be a sire worth taking more notice of! Riverside Ace won a good class in Lummen.

Another one to consider ... Couleur Rubin! Commercial and a sire of proper jumpers.
http://www.dressurleistungszentrum.de/index.php?id=136&L=2 ... ...If only I were a rich man!

Couleur Rubin. Stunning, thanks Eothain now I am rightly confused :)
I did try to use Hermes previously (about 4 years ago) but it didn't work out unfortunately.
Please do let me know how the Pacino turns out. I think the mare might need a little bit more blood for him but it would be very interesting to know what he throws.
 
I'm a sucker for a chestnut horse with a big white face!!! I'd gladly take a yard full of chestnut horses.

Don't worry, there'll be pictures of the Pacino baby plastered all over this place and Facebook!

Happy horse hunting!
 
Luidam? Commercial, proven performance and generally fabulous. You have the conformationally super correct Dutch side and the Selle Francais which I think suits Irish mares the best of all the continentals. Plus you might have an orange baby to sell to Eothain ;)
 
@ Gadetra thanks for adding Luidam to the Mix.

@Eothain you need to get yourself some frozen Calvados from Nijhof; that would certainly solve the chestnut, white face want :)
 
Couleur Rubin. Stunning, thanks Eothain now I am rightly confused :)

Lark, we have a Couleur Rouge (full brother to Couleur Rubin) filly out of the same Cruise On mare, she is only just coming up 2, but the jury is still out on her at the moment. I am not sure that I can see all the qualities that Balou brought forward yet! Time will tell :D
 
Lark, we have a Couleur Rouge (full brother to Couleur Rubin) filly out of the same Cruise On mare, she is only just coming up 2, but the jury is still out on her at the moment. I am not sure that I can see all the qualities that Balou brought forward yet! Time will tell :D

Thanks Cruiseline. That is very good feedback.
I love Balou and have been dying to you him for about 3 years now. Putting him to 2 ladies would actually make sense as we are buying by the dose.

The AI centre yesterday mentioned that semen for Chacco-Blue is flying out now as he has full approval but maybe next year.
 
So do I Eothian :D the dam line is outstanding, we chose to use Couleur Rouge rather than his older full brother because he is short coupled and the mare needed that. At the moment the filly looks like she might have taken more of her mothers genes than his. :( What I like about Balou Du Rouet is that 9 times out of 10 you can look at the foal and say, thats a Balou baby :D

You can't go wrong with any horse that has a big white face IMO :D
 
Lark - I think that your initial choice of Kannan would be the one you should consider more seriously. I know what you are trying to convey when you say "complications" - because i have read some of the outrageous comments on this forum about the owner. I have used the stallion in the past and also having used Rubicell, (owned by the same person as Kannan) and 2 very good friends of mine (who run very large warmblood studs in the Uk) have been clients of the owner for some years. My experience with Kannan's owner has been very UN "complicated" and I have never heard any real-life bad reports, only good stuff. Please don't let other people's poor judgement of opinion make your decision for you - Kannan after all, is ranks no 5 in the showjumping listings.
 
Im not a fan of Kannan, not the most handsome of horses, but i do love his son Danny Kannan, im with the chestnut lovers im afraid!!! cant beat a good one!
 
Another one that you might want to consider and also keeping with the chestnut theme is Don VHP Z, there is a great write-up about him in the HH. He is one of the younger ones, but my goodness can he operate.
 
Would you all go away with your chestnuts :D that was Eothain not me...(tongue in cheek)
Seroiusly, thanks again for the suggestions.
Perlino I actually do really like Kannan and having come across a good few and all had lovely temperaments (well with the exception of one loon).
I will use him I hope at some point but I have too busy right now to deal with anything other than 'covering for dummies' right now.

Good news is that the ET has worked out well so far and the mare will be ready again pretty quickly.

I have had some unexpected news that very rare semen might be available that has me very excited but won't say anything in case it doesn't work out.

Otherwise the plan is that Balou will do both the Cruising and the Guidam. And they will probably both end up Chestnet :D
 
...and just to jump on the bandwagon (sorry if this has been said before, not read all posts), I think that Arko is only available to proven international dams or dams of proven international horses.....
 
Just a little update.
Cruising mare is scanned in foal to Cavalier. I won't have a party until we have a heart beat but fingers crossed for this one.

Guidam 4 yr old is scanned in foal to Balou - looking forward to that one and thank you for all your recommendations for this stallion.

Kings Master mare is doing womb sitter for the MermusxCruising. Very easy ET which was a relief.

And last mare foaled a week ago so will be hopefully covered Irish this year with Carrick Diamond lad.
This is the Peppermill filly - very blood, very leggy and very very cheeky! :

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