Crying Buckets - My new Lorry been Clocked!!!

With all due respect love you will not see much difference in the price between the 2 mileages. If the truck has been well maintained and you like it get him to refund the difference or give the truck back. If you take him to court it will cost you more of your hard earned cash.

I appreciate that you have not got exactly what you paid for but it seems to be pretty darn close.
 
Bit irrelevant but thought I'd just say how close I was to a worse situation last year. We needed a new car for towing, fell for the old trick of "there's someone coming back later thats really intrested" and put a deposit on the car. Then dad was sneeky at looked at the paper work whilst the seller was out of the room. Found out it was actually bought cheeply at auction cus it had a fault that ment the brakes completely stopped working occasionaly. Seller completely denied this, but none the less we didn't buy the car, didn't fancy towing on the motorway and then the breaks going :S
 
dawny47 said:
Thanks for that, slightly more comforting, however that's not what I paid for and the dealers still walked off with wads of my hard earned cash!
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I know the point is that what has been done to you is illegal and deceitful, but 120K on a lorry is diddly squat, and I suspect wouldn't alter the value much at all.
 
OP I can tell you are annoyed, but if the worst comes to the worst and you end up keeping the lorry I don't expect you'll have many problems due to the mileage.

In 2001 I bought a 3 year old lorry which had hauled computer parts up and down the motorway before being converted to a horsebox. It had 220,000km on the clock. Shortly afterwards, the speedo broke and I had a new one fitted, so the mileage it shows (I do about 3500km/yr) is not accurate. This lorry is still going strong (with regular maintenance from a good mechanic) and apart from the usual problems (exhaust etc) the only problem I have with it is that at 13 years old bits of the body are starting to fall apart ;);)

I promise you, the miles and the engine will never be an issue! You might be better off chalking this one up to experience and just enjoying your lorry and the pleasure it gives you :)
 
Sanolly said:
I can (and have) drive a 3.5t on my licence? Got stopped by Vosa who checked my licence and my insurance and sent me on my merry way. 7.5t will require a new test is that what you mean?
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Sorry, I'm a div.

You're right!! You need to take a C1 licence if you're driving anything heavier than 3.5t unless your licence was sought before 1997 :o
 
The vehicle is not as described - so you simply use the consumer act to take action against the trader that sold you the vehicle.
You could ask for your money and expenses back or alternatively get a report from an independent expert which will advise you on the difference in value of the vehicle based on the different milages. Then simply take the trader to the small claims court. This is easy and cheap to do as one can do it on-line.
 
OWLIE185 said:
The vehicle is not as described - so you simply use the consumer act to take action against the trader that sold you the vehicle.
You could ask for your money and expenses back or alternatively get a report from an independent expert which will advise you on the difference in value of the vehicle based on the different milages. Then simply take the trader to the small claims court. This is easy and cheap to do as one can do it on-line.
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Thank you at last someone who see's my point of view. It's ok everyone saying these lorrys go on forever, but I havn't got what I paid for, that's the whole point and an indepentant garage has told me the difference in value for the mileage is over £1000. How long will that keep my pony's in food for?
 
dawny47 said:
Thank you at last someone who see's my point of view. It's ok everyone saying these lorrys go on forever, but I havn't got what I paid for, that's the whole point and an indepentant garage has told me the difference in value for the mileage is over £1000. How long will that keep my pony's in food for?
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Sorry, I was sidelined by another poster and didn't reply to your OP.

I do sympathise with you. If I had bought something that wasn't as described then I too, would be seeking some sort of compensation. Whether it be a refund or money off. I certainly wouldn't 'make do' if a car/lorry I had bought was clocked! Regardless of where the lorry was clocked, or why, I do believe it is the down to the dealers to compensate. Let us know how you get on.
 
With all due respect to you "Love" the difference between the mileage is over £1000 (Already taken legal on this) + the repairs £550. That's alot of pony nuts!!!
 
Louby said:
Aparantly not :(:( Not fair is it :(
If you open the tacho though, it has stickers on it that show mileage and date. I went to view a wagon with 130000km on it but when the tacho head was opened it shown somat like 330000km and a date. I think this means the tacho was changed on that date and the mileage is the mileage shown on the sticker in the previous tacho, so the lorry I viewed reallly had 460000km! I think this is right :confused:
I wait to be corrected :D:D:D
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You should base your mileage on the mileometer and not on the tacho head...

Tachos can get changed for various reasons throughout the life of a vehicle... Often people put second hand Tacho heads in because the cost of new ones are £500+ and then the VAT on top, so it isn't uncommon for second hand ones to be put in.

I've just had one put in a vehicle with 46,500 miles on the mileometer but the tacho head is reading 22km as thats all it has done on its trip home from being fitted...

You should always check the mileometer reading against previous MOT's and not the Tacho Head reading as more often than not they wont have been put in from new...

The stickers will relate to the calibration date of the tacho head and the mileage/KM reading at that date...
 
perfect11s said:
a well serviced 100k over a negleted 30 k one any day, dont worry about miles worry instead about condition and how it runs if something is going well its most likely to be fine for the little use it will get as a average horse box untill the bodywork falls of which is what I expect will be the fate of most 3.5 ton boxes
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Absolutely right... I would deffo buy a well maintained and well serviced vehicle with 100k on the clock over a vehicle with 30k thats never had any servicing done and has been poorly maintained...

Commercial vehicles are built to last and should go to the moon and back providing they are well serviced and maintained...

Obviously the older vehicles lose a bit of their shine over time but I would rather get from A to B and back without any issues than having a shiny wagon stuck on the hard shoulder :)
 
lea840 said:
You should base your mileage on the mileometer and not on the tacho head...

Tachos can get changed for various reasons throughout the life of a vehicle... Often people put second hand Tacho heads in because the cost of new ones are £500+ and then the VAT on top, so it isn't uncommon for second hand ones to be put in.

I've just had one put in a vehicle with 46,500 miles on the mileometer but the tacho head is reading 22km as thats all it has done on its trip home from being fitted...

You should always check the mileometer reading against previous MOT's and not the Tacho Head reading as more often than not they wont have been put in from new...

The stickers will relate to the calibration date of the tacho head and the mileage/KM reading at that date...
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If the tacho heads replaced, doesnt that change the mileometer too??? I havent a clue, so genuinely asking. Just that my current wagons mileometer isnt working properly and I presumed to replace it, it would come as a complete unit, that would either show nil (if new) or whatever the mileage was from the the donor vehicle? Also on my MOT certs there is no recorded mileage for both my current and previous vehicle? They are 7.5t though
 
Louby said:
If the tacho heads replaced, doesnt that change the mileometer too??? I havent a clue, so genuinely asking. Just that my current wagons mileometer isnt working properly and I presumed to replace it, it would come as a complete unit, that would either show nil (if new) or whatever the mileage was from the the donor vehicle? Also on my MOT certs there is no recorded mileage for both my current and previous vehicle? They are 7.5t though
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It depends on what year your wagon is... if it has an 'old style' tacho fitted then it will be on the spedo, but if you have a newer vehicle then 9/10 they are fitted with a casette or digi tacho, the casette is a seperate unit all together and is often fitted above or next to the radio in the vehicle... but if you are refering to an old style one then yes it will be a full unit replacement, thus giving you a 'new mileage'.

So if the vehicle is then sold on at a later date you would have to sell it as unwaranted/unverified mileage. If you have all of the old MOT's then you could show a new buyer what the mileage was on a certain date... and you would have the paper work from when the new Tacho/Spedo was fitted and could gage the mileage by adding the two together...

There should be recored mileage on an MOT Cert and it would be very unusual for a test station not to record the mileage of a vehicle on an MOT... I personally would be reporting the test station to VOSA if they are not recording the mileage on MOT's cert's...
 
lea840 said:
It depends on what year your wagon is... if it has an 'old style' tacho fitted then it will be on the spedo, but if you have a newer vehicle then 9/10 they are fitted with a casette or digi tacho, the casette is a seperate unit all together and is often fitted above or next to the radio in the vehicle... but if you are refering to an old style one then yes it will be a full unit replacement, thus giving you a 'new mileage'.

So if the vehicle is then sold on at a later date you would have to sell it as unwaranted/unverified mileage. If you have all of the old MOT's then you could show a new buyer what the mileage was on a certain date... and you would have the paper work from when the new Tacho/Spedo was fitted and could gage the mileage by adding the two together...

There should be recored mileage on an MOT Cert and it would be very unusual for a test station not to record the mileage of a vehicle on an MOT... I personally would be reporting the test station to VOSA if they are not recording the mileage on MOT's cert's...
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Then you will be reporting Vosa to itself :D the Kms are not recorded on a goods vehicle test certificate (VTG5) and Vosa or there employes are the only people who test over 3.5 ton, oh and if you have the newer drawer type tacho and change it the speedo will read the same, as the mileage is loged by the tacho head and some times the vehicle ECU ...
 
lea840 said:
It depends on what year your wagon is... if it has an 'old style' tacho fitted then it will be on the spedo, but if you have a newer vehicle then 9/10 they are fitted with a casette or digi tacho, the casette is a seperate unit all together and is often fitted above or next to the radio in the vehicle... but if you are refering to an old style one then yes it will be a full unit replacement, thus giving you a 'new mileage'.

So if the vehicle is then sold on at a later date you would have to sell it as unwaranted/unverified mileage. If you have all of the old MOT's then you could show a new buyer what the mileage was on a certain date... and you would have the paper work from when the new Tacho/Spedo was fitted and could gage the mileage by adding the two together...

There should be recored mileage on an MOT Cert and it would be very unusual for a test station not to record the mileage of a vehicle on an MOT... I personally would be reporting the test station to VOSA if they are not recording the mileage on MOT's cert's...
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Thanks for that. My last lorry was a 2001, this one is a 1994. I suspected my last lorry had probably done a lot more miles than shown but was told not to worry about it by a number of people as it seemed well maintained etc. I checked the MOTs and the mileage wasnt on them, from before I bought it as well and did think it was unfair really as how are you ever supposed to know, even if it doesnt matter :confused: Im going to have another look at my new (old :)) ones MOT, just out of interest really.
Thanks again
 
Thanks Perfect, just read your reply, we must have been typing at the same time. Well I think I better put this to bed now as Ive hijacked dawny47 post, sorry bout that dawny47 :)
 
perfect11s said:
Then you will be reporting Vosa to itself :D the Kms are not recorded on a goods vehicle test certificate (VTG5) and Vosa or there employes are the only people who test over 3.5 ton, oh and if you have the newer drawer type tacho and change it the speedo will read the same, as the mileage is loged by the tacho head and some times the vehicle ECU ...
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We all know there are dodgy garages out there who will put a wagon through on 3 wheels lol doesn't make it right and you can still report them as they will be taken off the VOSA list of approved garages for MOT's... thankfully a well known dodgy one was closed down in the last couple of months near me :D
 
Louby said:
Aparantly not :(:( Not fair is it :(
If you open the tacho though, it has stickers on it that show mileage and date. I went to view a wagon with 130000km on it but when the tacho head was opened it shown somat like 330000km and a date. I think this means the tacho was changed on that date and the mileage is the mileage shown on the sticker in the previous tacho, so the lorry I viewed reallly had 460000km! I think this is right :confused:
I wait to be corrected :D:D:D
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Yes louby that is correct, also have a good look at things like the steering wheel ,foot pedal rubbers floor mats for signs of excessive ware , a good indication of some one sat in it for a long time =high milage !
 
steadyeddy said:
Yes louby that is correct, also have a good look at things like the steering wheel ,foot pedal rubbers floor mats for signs of excessive ware , a good indication of some one sat in it for a long time =high milage !
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Thanks steadyeddy and thanks to those (you know who you are ;)) who have put up with me over the years with my endless horsebox questions :eek: You have taught me well, seems its finally sunk in :D and I finally understand. :)

Just to put a spanner in the works though. I suppose this is only true if whoever changed the tacho head has done it all above board???
 
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