Cushings- beyond pergolide any evidence for anything ?

katef2020

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My 28 y/o welsh B, has been happily on pergolide for over 5 years and has had a symptom free happy time.
He was fit, ridden , doing PC and winning veteran classes until a few months ago, when he got mild laminitis following an episode of diarrhoea. He is already carefully monitored weight / dietwise and his insulin is always in normal range. He is slim and fed appropriately. He was in clogs within hours of laminitis attack and instantly much happier.
His ACTH has always been hugely high, was 600 when diagnosed with minimal symptoms 5 years ago, stabilised at 300 quite happily and then started to rise to 600 ( dose up to 2 mg/ day) then to over 1000 last year. He seems unable to tolerate more than 1mg every other day of pergolide now, is on protexin to try and stabilise things and this has worked with his tummy which is much better, and the lami seems under control, and he is cantering about in his clogs and much brighter.
Questions -
is the pergolide doing anything for him at all positive anymore?
He is an enigma with his huge levels of ACTH which he seems to tolerate well, will this go off the scale if I stop the pergolide alltogether ?
Is it basically everything else giving up, causing lack or tolerability of pergolide at therapeutic dose ?
Is pergolide excreted via liver - and could this mean he has some liver deficiency which is stopping him clearing it and causing toxicity ?
Any advice for this beyond pergolide scenario. I am pragmatic as to his options, but would like to give him every chance, without condemning him to his remaining time being full of unpleasantness.
 
I sympathise, my mare is on 4 prascend a day and is looking well and behaving normally..her highest level was 172 and is now 37 so yours seems very high to me...as far as I know cushings is a progressive condition so it would be very unlikely that the dose can be reduced which is what you are doing so I assume his levels would rise. when you say he cant tolerate more , how does he react if he is back on 2 daily? have you spoken to your vet ?
 
yes, our vet is great. Problem is that if we raise his dose now, he gets diarrhoea, stops eating and increase risk of lami again.
His ACTH levels are an amazement to all, his last ones had to be redone as the lab couldnt believe it. He can obviously function on much higher levels than normal, but suspect now, other bodily systems starting to pack up slowly so suspect cushings is finally getting the upper hand. But he has had the most wonderful 5 extra years of exceptional quality life, as was in a very poor state when we got him. Most important thing is his quality of life, so we're trying to balance everything to enable his last chapter of life to be as good as poss. Posted to see if anyone else had come to a situation where pergolide is no longer controlling the disease or if their pony couldnt tolerate a higher dose like ours and what they did.
 
Those levels are huge, my 35 year old was at 600 when she was tested recently, after 1mg/day, I thought that was pretty much off the scale. We have upped her Prascend and she is being tested again shortly.
You could try chasteberrry (Vitex) alongside the pergolide. It was trialled by the Laminitis Trust a few years ago, and I always regarded it as a suitable treatment for low grade early stage Cushings. I did see some research in which they found it treats the symptoms and doesn't have any effect on ACTH levels, but given that nothing else seems to help, it's worth a try. Progressive Earth sell it, among others.
 
Chasteberry may help to treat the symptoms of Cushings Disease, however there is only pergolide which actually treats the dysfunction in the pituitary gland (which is more likely than not caused by a tumour)
 
This is a very useful and informative site for all things Cushings (PPID) and laminitis...all the information is based on up to date scientific studies. You may well find all your answers there but they also have a Facebook group in which you can ask anything you like and will get a well informed, comprehensive answer

http://www.thelaminitissite.org/

Facebook group is called EMS, PPID and laminitis group UK
 
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