Cutting a stallion....

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I am viewing a few horses (hopefully)

One is a stallion, I do have the option to keep him entire but I was wondering...

How much does having them cut change them?

At the moment he is quiet, scopey, polite, easy going and enjoying his jumping and I dont want him to change if cut


Experiences pleases!
 
I dont really believe in breeding for the sake of breeding....

Hes a very nice horse and if kept he would be graded in Nov to be reg BSJA.

I have my own yard so is possible but having a stallion makes shows, stay aways, ect all that it harder

Also whilst at uni he is not allowed in college stables so would have to try and find stallion friendly livery ect
 
You don't have to breed him....

Yes, it can make livery more difficult so I understand it from that point of view. I guess if he isn't going to be a forever horse then it would be more worthwhile getting him cut as it will be easier for resale etc.

If he is a happy and easy stallion I would be tempted to leave him until he gives/circumstances give a reason to geld?
 
Thats kind of my thinking but if I am going to have him cut anyway I feel like having it done sooner than later and saving all the higher livery and grading expense!

I havnt tried him yet so I am thinking ahead a bit. Also if I am not using him to breed not sure what the point of keeping him entire.

If I see him and he looks a real nice sort with a future I may leave him entire, get him graded and go from there.

I was just wondering if having them cut 'spoils' them as a few people have told me they lose their talent being cut but ive not really known people have an issue
 
Not quite the same but we had a horse on the yard who had one testicle that hadnt decended, went in for op under GA as it was 6 years old and cuase peritonisis (sp?) so took a long time to recover. With older stallions afaik, they need to be done under GA hence the added risk
 
Delicious_D said:
Not quite the same but we had a horse on the yard who had one testicle that hadnt decended, went in for op under GA as it was 6 years old and cuase peritonisis (sp?) so took a long time to recover. With older stallions afaik, they need to be done under GA hence the added risk
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Not necessarily. I worked on a stud where they had one of the stallions cut because he wasn't throwing the quality that his breeding had suggested he would. He was done under sedation, and recovered very well. The crunch when they cut the spermatic cord was a bit more Eeek than when its a baby being done though - I cringed a bit!
 
Auslander said:
Not necessarily. I worked on a stud where they had one of the stallions cut because he wasn't throwing the quality that his breeding had suggested he would. He was done under sedation, and recovered very well. The crunch when they cut the spermatic cord was a bit more Eeek than when its a baby being done though - I cringed a bit!
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Yeah its always been done that way when I have seen it done! It does make me cringe too!
 
Majority of stallions need different handling and, as you know not everyone will tolerate them even if they are 100% behaved.

I have been involved in the racing industry for many years and have been there when several mature horses were gelded.

A lot of vets will do the older horse when it is standing, others will lay it down but, there is no more risk than with a young colt.

I would say I have been there when over 100 older horses (4 - 10 years) were gelded and only one had a slight issue with bleeding afterwards. The trainer insisted the vet came back out but, I wouldn't have woken him in the middle of the night as it was stopping bleeding anyway and not what I would call haemorrhaging anyway.
The horse was fine the next day and with all they were ridden out walking, twice the next day to keep the swelling down.
 
I had an 11 yo stallion cut once, he was already very quiet and sensible. He made a lovely hunter but as far as I'm aware he still can't go out in a mixed herd, he used to attack geldings and was depressed that he couldn't serve mares.
If you have your own yard then it could be manageable, perhaps just let him have a couple of foals as company or an old mare. I wouldn't advise it for a horse that is to be kept at a livery yard though.
Also my horses sheath swelled up really badly for a couple of months, it recovered fully so try not to panic if that happens to yours - but do keep a close eye on it and have the vet check him frequently too.
Just to add, the one I had was on a one way ticket to the meat man but due to his wonderful temperament I bought him off the dealer who owned him. He found a loving permanent home with an elderly farmer. So it can be worthwhile.
 
Hello, I had my 11 year old non-covering performance stallion gelded last year for a variety of reasons. He is now 10 months post op (a full GA, in-theatre operation. There is significantly more bleeding with a mature stallion, and he did have a slight infection afterwards). He is much easier to handle now, BUT he has lost 90% of his presence and a lot of muscle. If a mature stallion is not a problem to handle then I would not geld, even if you don't want to cover with him.
 
My dad had an eight year old stallion cut a few years ago; there was no real change in him and he had covered mares, but he was good natured to start with. My dad has said that it shortens their lifespan if they are cut late; but I think it may be a myth.:confused: I'd rather they had a good quality shorter life, than a restricted longer one anyway. :)
 
Have been involved in cutting 2 stallions both mature ie one was 9 the other 16 both had been at stud. Neither lost their presence after gelding, was asked with one chap if I was in the wrong class being in the mare/gelding class. The other lad continued to win many championships into his 20s and also learnt to jump at 18 and loved it. He is now 28 and still looks like a stallion just with nicer manners.
 
not anything like show jumping but my heavy stepping cob was used for driving and would give it his all all the time, i owned him for 18months before gelding him in which time he was the same and very flashy/ forward going and as cortez said had a lot of presence when out and about, since gelding he has lost most of this although does sometimes show off sometimes. however this would have been all the time before. i would be worried if i was making an investment that i was wanting to compete that had a good record now, i would worry that after gelding he would lose some of what makes him good at the minute. He may well not at all but i would feel that would be quite a risk that you couldnt reverse, hope that makes sense.
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