Cytek shoes

im still watching your video but a couple of things struck me.

the trim alone would have helped your horse
getting the sole off the floor would help a laminitic become less sore
all the pics of your horses they are standing over themselves in a way which would suggest sore heels.

not for or against cytek, but this isnt proof, sorry.
 
Ratcatcher, I may have misunderstood, but did you state that Warwick never used Cytec?

He (approx 15 years ago) shod nearly the entire yard where i worked and over a period of a year those horses had foot and lameness problems. None of them had problems before. It started off as this marvellous new way of farriery and everyone seemed to jump on the bandwagon until it all went wrong.

Since then in this area they have had a bad name.

However I know he trims (unshod) a couple of horses of an aquaintance.
 
mossolb said:
Do you consider Maggie's Mum's post to be the best because she implies there is something suspicious about new members starting to post in favour of Cytek?
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Excuse me mossolb, but do not band my name around out of context!
Luci07 pointed out ( and quoted me ) that I had said the OP asked for opinions and experiences and that was what she was given! I will repeat it incase you didn't grasp it the first time - the OP asked for opinions and experiences and they received exactly that! Its quite clear that this was what Luci07 was referring to as she quoted my text in her post!

And for the record yes I do think there is something suspicious about new members popping up that haven't posted in any other threads - and yes i've checked! - just to support this one!
That is MY opinion and the last time I checked I was entitled to express it, if you do not like my opinion that is your problem and not mine.


Just one more time to be sure you've really grasped it - Luci07 quoted a small part of my post because of its reference to the original question made by the original poster - she did not express that she thinks my post is the best because of my personal skepticism of the new posters on this thread.
 
maggiesmum said:
Excuse me mossolb, but do not band my name around out of context!
Luci07 pointed out ( and quoted me ) that I had said the OP asked for opinions and experiences and that was what she was given! I will repeat it incase you didn't grasp it the first time - the OP asked for opinions and experiences and they received exactly that! Its quite clear that this was what Luci07 was referring to as she quoted my text in her post!

And for the record yes I do think there is something suspicious about new members popping up that haven't posted in any other threads - and yes i've checked! - just to support this one!
That is MY opinion and the last time I checked I was entitled to express it, if you do not like my opinion that is your problem and not mine.


Just one more time to be sure you've really grasped it - Luci07 quoted a small part of my post because of its reference to the original question made by the original poster - she did not express that she thinks my post is the best because of my personal skepticism of the new posters on this thread.
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Hi maggies mum - why so aggressive. I'm not bandying your name about any more than Luci07 is. If you post on here you may be referred to.
What's the problem? By now it must be obvious that there is more than one pro poster so I suggest all you antiis try and accept it. Also how do you know what Luci07 meant unless of course you are one and the same. (this is meant to be a joke by the way)
Goos wishes
 
digitalangel said:
im still watching your video but a couple of things struck me.

the trim alone would have helped your horse
getting the sole off the floor would help a laminitic become less sore
all the pics of your horses they are standing over themselves in a way which would suggest sore heels.

not for or against cytek, but this isnt proof, sorry.
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They are not my horses. I came across this on YouTube - found it interesting and thought others might too.
Regarding hoof care I would prefer to talk with a farrier I trust who has examined my horses than take advice from someone on a posting site.
You are stating the obvious when you say the trim alone would have helped.
Also there is much more to the video than before and after pics or haven't you got that far.
 
mossolb said:
Hi maggies mum - why so aggressive. I'm not bandying your name about any more than Luci07 is. If you post on here you may be referred to.
What's the problem? By now it must be obvious that there is more than one pro poster so I suggest all you antiis try and accept it. Also how do you know what Luci07 meant unless of course you are one and the same. (this is meant to be a joke by the way)
Goos wishes
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Luci07's post -
A number of people, myself included, have shared direct personal experience with regards to Cytek. It was negative. Those were the facts. The best post was from Maggies Mum - OP asked for experiences/opinions/info and this is exactly what she got.

I know what Luci07 meant because they wrote it down - Page 8, post 80, they didn't quote the whole post, only one sentence of it which makes it blindingly obvious that this is the part of the post they are referring to. You are suggesting they are referring to a different part of my post which they didn't quote.

Of course people will refer to posts on a forum, they will also object to them, disagree with them and sometimes maybe even like them - BUT unless they're quoted or referred to as written its a pointless exercise. My issue is with you twisting the quote and subsequent post into something that it is not, i'm all for healthy debate but to re-write history to suit yourself just isn't cricket.

And i'm loving your suggestion that the anti's accept that there's more than one pro poster, it could be suggested that you take a leaf from your own book and accept that theres more than one anti. :D

'Goos' wishes to you to ;)
 
Giddy aunt.

Opinions were sought; opinions were provided.

End of, one would have thought.


But, as MaggiesMum states, amongst other (sorry m'duck, just your name kept popping up :D), those who are pro the Cytek are all new members.

This place is definitely not anit-new people (we were all new here once), and there are numerous threads where the members have opposing views, but those tend to have members who post on a myriad of subjects.

On a forum just about the only way to judge a members level of experience and knowledge is what and how they post, so if the new members post on other subjects (thereby showing their experience and knowledge), then I'll be more inclinded to consider their views on the Cytek.
 
Interesting post.

Well I’ll share my experience of Cytek shoes but having read the posts previously I’m not sure if they are genuine cytek or not as my farrier was Warwick.

Anyway my mare who had always been shod traditionally whilst no soundness issues always had windgalls and suddenly started to trip quite badly.

The yard where I kept her had both Warwick and a traditionall farrier so it was suggested I give the Cytek a try. Anyway it worked brilliantly for my mare as her windgalls went right down and she stopped tripping. I kept her in these shoes until I sadly lost her unexpectedly at 15. She was in them for about 3 years I think.

However Warwick now shoes all the horses at the yard as the traditional farrier went AWOL but I made the decision to keep my gelding in traditional shoes and use the farrier from where I keep my other horse as she is at another yard. She only has front shoes.

My experience was fine but I admit things I’ve read and heard have put me off them but if I had a similar problem again I’d possibly give them a try.
 
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mrussell said:
requoting this because
a) I like seeing MaggiesMum's name
b) not all of the Pro Cytek folk are new (*although I like the thought of being new*)
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It's a good name (and a good poster :D); and
you are indeed right and I apologies for my unright - I was swayed from being factually correct by the number and the language of the newbies :D. New is lovely :D, and I speak as one who is old and crochety :D
 
digitalangel said:
im still watching your video but a couple of things struck me.

the trim alone would have helped your horse

Yes - but much better with the cytek shoes on.

getting the sole off the floor would help a laminitic become less sore

Your point?

all the pics of your horses they are standing over themselves in a way which would suggest sore heels.

No it doesn't.

not for or against cytek, but this isnt proof, sorry.
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I've just watched this slide show for the first time. If you know what you're looking at it makes perfect sense. If you don't - you'll never be convinced until you make yourself a bit more conversant with biodynamics, anatomy and the basic laws of physics.
 
maggiesmum said:
Luci07's post -
A number of people, myself included, have shared direct personal experience with regards to Cytek. It was negative. Those were the facts. The best post was from Maggies Mum - OP asked for experiences/opinions/info and this is exactly what she got.

I know what Luci07 meant because they wrote it down - Page 8, post 80, they didn't quote the whole post, only one sentence of it which makes it blindingly obvious that this is the part of the post they are referring to. You are suggesting they are referring to a different part of my post which they didn't quote.

Of course people will refer to posts on a forum, they will also object to them, disagree with them and sometimes maybe even like them - BUT unless they're quoted or referred to as written its a pointless exercise. My issue is with you twisting the quote and subsequent post into something that it is not, i'm all for healthy debate but to re-write history to suit yourself just isn't cricket.

And i'm loving your suggestion that the anti's accept that there's more than one pro poster, it could be suggested that you take a leaf from your own book and accept that theres more than one anti. :D

'Goos' wishes to you to ;)
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Ok maggiesmum you win. Everything you say is right and always will be. you are the fount of all wisdom and knowledge.
Enough is enough. I've got better things to do with my time. I'm out of here. All this irrelevant nonsense because some people have challenged the ill informed nonsense written about cytek shoes.
 
lubuzz said:
Iv seen that pointless, useless video several times over. Its all you lot post, and it shows nothing.

Its not proof.
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This is a rather insubstantial statement and sounds a little desperate.

As I replied to digitangel:

If you know what you're looking at it makes perfect sense. If you don't - you'll never be convinced until you make yourself a bit more conversant with biodynamics, anatomy and the basic laws of physics.
 
mossolb said:
Ok maggiesmum you win. Everything you say is right and always will be. you are the fount of all wisdom and knowledge.
Enough is enough. I've got better things to do with my time. I'm out of here. All this irrelevant nonsense because some people have challenged the ill informed nonsense written about cytek shoes.
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I share your view mossolb. The arguments against boil down to:

I don't like Warwick (although he's not been involved for years now)
I don't like the sound of the shoes
I don't like the look of the shoes
My farrier doesn't like them
I had a bad experience once (the only genuine reason - but then how many have bad experiences with trad.shoes?)
I heard that a friend's, friend's, friend had a bad experience
I've heard 'things' about them but haven't been bothered to check them out
I don't understand what I'm looking at or how it works, therefore it must be bad.
My trainer doesn't like them

It's all a very poor show and the ones who'll really pay the price? - the horse.

The one thing about debating with the antis is that they can't help but demonstrate they actually know nothing about the shoe or how it is designed let alone anatomy or biodynamics and have to resort to very poor arguments because they 'just don't like them'. They don't see this of course and they'll swear the opposite but that's just the way they do things.
 
All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

I am, sadly, not surprised by the amount of harsh judgement and criticism on this thread from people that have not even had personal experience of cytek. Even one person who has had a positive experience with her mare has been put off by the ludicrous and erroneous accusations.

I have Cytek's founding farrier taking excellent care of all of my horses, all of whom have benefited from the transition. I have seen Cytek shoes help 3 other horses recover from lameness that had been attributed to laminitis but this was a veterinary error (no surprises there!!).

In my surrounding area, I know of over 20 horses all on Cyteks in front, and not 1 bad experience has been reported. Quite the contrary, all of the horses have benefited.

I am proud to be one of the newbies, it seems we are a more open-minded and open-hearted sort :)
 
Two points - firstly, who fancies starting a thread called cytek v barefoot and then sitting back and watching the resulting debate?! :D

Secondly, Maggiesmum - please can I have your contact details as I have been looking for ages for someone who is the font of all knowledge! :D
 
This thread is a real eye-opener. I haven't read all the posts but enough to gather that there is a huge amount of "anti-Cytek" that I hadn't realised about.

A year and a half ago my mare was diagnosed with cushings and laminitis. She had been happily barefoot for a number of years before. She was extremely lame with the laminitis and my farrier put Cytek shoes on her fronts. She was instantly SO much better. He advised that the laminitis was likely to cause abscesses which it did but he dealt with them very quickly and efficiently with no poulticing necessary.

A year and a half on she is fully sound and I can honestly say she is moving better than ever before (and she was always a good mover anyway).

As I understand Cytek it changes the break-over point of when the foot lifts off the floor and helps to lighten the forehand. I probably haven't said it properly though and will now be shot down in flames!

I ask my farrier for more into when he comes tonight!
 
Some years ago my farrier went away on a course and came back with the idea that by knocking the toe right back it gave the horse a better roll over.
In theory this was started by some American farrier who noticed that several mustangs from the wild had more squared off toes.
At this point I will say that I have had many ponies, Welsh, New Forest and Dartmoor ponies that have been in the 'wild' and never had one with squared off toes)

I had the horses shod by this method and hated it more than the horses did. The break over came faster because of the roll of the toe but because of this happening they were taking a shorter stride as when the weight was on the opposite foot and the break over happening faster, they had to 'land' with the other foot faster. Result was a short shuffling stride rather than a good use of the shoulder.

It can work if the horse is well supported at the heels but as this picture shows, they often are not.

http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10750

This picture show no heel support at all. If this horse was shod over a period of time with the Cyteks it would result in dropped heels. In the second picture you can see the lack of heel support from the underside.

Look at the lower picture and see what heel support the horse has with conventional shoes and a decent farrier.
 
Looking at Foxhunter's picture. The lower picture I see, the that the hoof wall is being forced to take the weight & that the p3 bone is not being supported at all. The hoof wall takes no weight in nature! And I suspect that your wild ponies didn't have squared off toes because they didn't have a preditor to push them forward for them to travel the milage (10-20 miles a day) Obviously we don't want our animals to be preyed upon, but that is what happens in nature! Mustangs & brumbies are in great shape & so are their feet. I have seen exmores, welshies & dartmores too & it's because there is nothing to make them do the miles, so some of those have to be brought in for routine checks & foot trims under sadation! Where's the nature in that? But like I said earlier, we dont want to see anything suffer, so I do agree with wild ponies being checked, maybe stress for them. So man does whatt he does! Man domesticates horse, man puts horse in a paddock, man should try to do the best for their feet & teeth! Which man does! Hopefully we'll all have happy horses, we all do what we can for them whether its right in someones eyes or wrong in others eyes!
From my experiences of cytek, my horse are far better, happier, with a free flowing natural gait (No shortened paces) Could it be that long stretching paces are over compensating from a long toes & trying to take the weight off. Certainly was with one of my horses, he used to kind of march like a soldier but has a beautiful balanced normal gait now all from the 2nd shoeing.
 
marie_d_3 said:
This thread is a real eye-opener. I haven't read all the posts but enough to gather that there is a huge amount of "anti-Cytek" that I hadn't realised about.

A year and a half ago my mare was diagnosed with cushings and laminitis. She had been happily barefoot for a number of years before. She was extremely lame with the laminitis and my farrier put Cytek shoes on her fronts. She was instantly SO much better. He advised that the laminitis was likely to cause abscesses which it did but he dealt with them very quickly and efficiently with no poulticing necessary.

A year and a half on she is fully sound and I can honestly say she is moving better than ever before (and she was always a good mover anyway).

As I understand Cytek it changes the break-over point of when the foot lifts off the floor and helps to lighten the forehand. I probably haven't said it properly though and will now be shot down in flames!

I ask my farrier for more into when he comes tonight!
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Yes I believe that cyetk brings the horse's foot back to a natural shape similar to that of a wild horse's. With a natural break over point of where it should really be!
 
deicinmerlyn said:
Ratcatcher, I may have misunderstood, but did you state that Warwick never used Cytec?

He (approx 15 years ago) shod nearly the entire yard where i worked and over a period of a year those horses had foot and lameness problems. None of them had problems before. It started off as this marvellous new way of farriery and everyone seemed to jump on the bandwagon until it all went wrong.

Since then in this area they have had a bad name.

However I know he trims (unshod) a couple of horses of an aquaintance.
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You said it yourself! Maybe the farrier didn't know what he was doing then? It's sad that people blame the system. But I suspect they're going to blame if they have no other experience, than only a bad one. It's hard to beat!!
 
MrsMozart said:
Giddy aunt.

Opinions were sought; opinions were provided.

End of, one would have thought.


But, as MaggiesMum states, amongst other (sorry m'duck, just your name kept popping up :D), those who are pro the Cytek are all new members.

This place is definitely not anit-new people (we were all new here once), and there are numerous threads where the members have opposing views, but those tend to have members who post on a myriad of subjects.

On a forum just about the only way to judge a members level of experience and knowledge is what and how they post, so if the new members post on other subjects (thereby showing their experience and knowledge), then I'll be more inclinded to consider their views on the Cytek.
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This is a public forum, am I wrong?

Seems closed minded, to only be open to opinions of people that post in other forums.
I only post in subjects that i'm passionate about & want to protect. Which at the moment is this. I suspect this may not be read by you though, because new people seem not worthy apparently?
 
Great links Prophesy :) I was fortunate to meet the veterinarian (who is also a Cytek master farrier) who personally saw this transition shown in the first video, about the horse Millennium.

I have also met 2 other long term farriers that now only shoe with Cytek because they have seen the brutal damage caused by conventional farriery.

It's no wonder that there is a mass opposition to Cytek, the shoes only need replacing every 12 weeks, that's a drop in wages for your average Mr. Farrier. Not mentioning the reduction in vet bills too... the establishment certainly do not want the health benefits of Cytek made public. Good job most people are sheeples and refuse to see truth even when it's right there with flashing lights on!
 
EquiLight said:
Great links Prophesy :) I was fortunate to meet the veterinarian (who is also a Cytek master farrier) who personally saw this transition shown in the first video, about the horse Millennium.

I have also met 2 other long term farriers that now only shoe with Cytek because they have seen the brutal damage caused by conventional farriery.

It's no wonder that there is a mass opposition to Cytek, the shoes only need replacing every 12 weeks, that's a drop in wages for your average Mr. Farrier. Not mentioning the reduction in vet bills too... the establishment certainly do not want the health benefits of Cytek made public. Good job most people are sheeples and refuse to see truth even when it's right there with flashing lights on!
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I think you've hit the nail on the head Equilight (no pun intended!). As I understand it the shoes are also made in a different way to traditional shoes which would require the big suppliers to invest in epensive new machinery to produce them if there was a mass change over to people using Cytek shoes. These big suppliers also put a lot of money into training young farriers and are therefore in a good position to put Cytek in a bad light from the start in order to keep us all buying traditional shoes that they are already set up to produce.

I'm glad we've heard some support for Cytek on here at last because for me personally they've only bought improvements. I looked at them closely last night when my farrier came and they do support the heels, contrary to another post.

I guess however, that any shoe is only as good as the farrier who puts it on
 
prophecy10 said:
This is a public forum, am I wrong?

Seems closed minded, to only be open to opinions of people that post in other forums.
I only post in subjects that i'm passionate about & want to protect. Which at the moment is this. I suspect this may not be read by you though, because new people seem not worthy apparently?
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Unless I read more from you that shows me your depth and breadth of knowledge and experience, then my mind will be closed to you.

I will not risk my horses' health for words written by a stranger, who appears to only be passionate about one type of shoes - your words, you write about what you are passionate about. I await to see if you are passionate about helping people with a problem with their horse; about a rescue animal; about travel for slaughter; or any of the other myriad of subjects on this public forum.

So far, the new people who have posted about the Cytek have done nothing to get me interested in it, quite the opposite in fact. I have researched the shoe and so far found more negative than positive, so add that to the newbie posts on here and, to date, that is two more horses that will not be shod the Cytek way.
 
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