Daft colour question.

[Annagain]

Colour experts - at which point does dark buckskin become bay? I just mean as a a description, not genetically.
I’ve always called Wiggy a dark bay. He’s almost black, especially in winter.

This summer however, he’s a lot lighter than the last two summers and around the tops of his legs and around his tail his coat has a real beige/fawn (rather than brown) tone to it. What colour is he? Not that it really matters, I’m just curious.

 

[HappyHollyDays]

My pony is recorded as brown on his passport and in winter looks black but in the summer he goes exactly the same as your Wiggy. Sandy patches which make his darker dapples really stand out.

Both his parents were much darker than he is but his grandfather on his sires side is the brightest chestnut I’ve ever seen and I assumed the colour came from him somehow.

 

[ester]

In these pics he looks faded/sunbleached black rather than anything else.

 

[ihatework]

He’s a sun bleached brown/black!

 

[cauda equina]

My old chap is similar


Apparently seal brown is a colour

Seal brown (horse) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Barton Bounty]

Im also unsure what colour Orbi will be. Bay on the passport but he looks like a dun around the ears and belly my friend says hes like a dun with a jumper on

 

[ihatework]

BB, If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it’s a duck. Your horse is bay.

 

[Barton Bounty]

BB, If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it’s a duck. Your horse is bay.

Yeah most of the time he is , in the winter he is pure black

 

[Annagain]

Ebony, my old Sec D was black and would fade in the summer to a much more ginger colour than Wiggy is.

It’s fascinating that dark bay / black can have so many different tones underneath it!

 

[ester]

Yeah most of the time he is , in the winter he is pure black

except his muzzle which very much says he is bay.

 

[SussexbytheXmasTree]

I asked a similar question about my late old boy a few years ago. I thought he was bay possibly with the sooty gene. In the end nobody could decide so we named his colour “walnut”




Winter face,with a sort of mealy muzzle although his base coat was more gingery.

 

[Mari]

Yeah most of the time he is , in the winter he is pure black

If his muzzle is bay he’s a bay even if his coat is black. My pony has a black muzzle all year round so she is black.

 

[shortstuff99]

There isn't a sooty specific gene, I wonder if they were thinking buckskin? All bay horses have the same gene, bay can just have different shades but they aren't different colours.

Nd1 can impact expression and make them look a bit dun like.

 

[little_critter]

My bay boy (freshly washed)
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[SussexbytheXmasTree]

There isn't a sooty specific gene, I wonder if they were thinking buckskin? All bay horses have the same gene, bay can just have different shades but they aren't different colours.

Nd1 can impact expression and make them look a bit dun like.

My knowledge is very poor in this area. The only thing I’ve read that illustrates it is on here: http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics4.html

 

[First Frost]

This is my genetically tested Sooty buckskin. He is darker in the winter, bascially looking bay, and only looks buckskin rather than bay if any gaurd hairs show. They are very much pale yellow.

 

[shortstuff99]

My knowledge is very poor in this area. The only thing I’ve read that illustrates it is on here: http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics4.html

Yes some of these have a genetic base and some of these don't yet have any associated genes that have been found.

 

[shortstuff99]

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This is my genetically tested Sooty buckskin. He is darker in the winter, bascially looking bay, and only looks buckskin rather than bay if any gaurd hairs show. They are very much pale yellow.

I'm guessing genetically tested for buckskin as there isn't, as yet, a sooty gene identified unless I've missed something?

 

[First Frost]

Yes genetically tested for buckskin. So he has one cream gene.
The genetic cause of sooty in horses is not yet known, but it's believed to be an inherited trait that involves multiple genes.

 

[ester]

again, faces/muzzles are usually the bay v buckskin teller in winter coats.

 

[I'm Dun]

I asked a similar question about my late old boy a few years ago. I thought he was bay possibly with the sooty gene. In the end nobody could decide so we named his colour “walnut”

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Winter face,with a sort of mealy muzzle although his base coat was more gingery.

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hes bay with panagre i reckon

 

[Polos Mum]

Morning lovely people - OP sorry to butt in - but welcome thoughts on colour on this one.

He's chocolate brown in summer - other than his face
In winter he has long cream cat hairs all over that make him look dun colour - but no stripes so not dun

 

[Annagain]

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This is my genetically tested Sooty buckskin. He is darker in the winter, bascially looking bay, and only looks buckskin rather than bay if any gaurd hairs show. They are very much pale yellow.

This is very much the tone of Wiggy's colour but he's darker. It's that yellow sandy sort of tone rather than a red or brown. That's what made me wonder.

Another daft question Ester - when you say faces / muzzles are the telltale, what's the difference?

 

[ester]

Morning lovely people - OP sorry to butt in - but welcome thoughts on colour on this one.

He's chocolate brown in summer - other than his face
In winter he has long cream cat hairs all over that make him look dun colour - but no stripes so not dun

Buckskin

Yellow v orange on the muzzles. Occasionally you do get one that’s bay but with a pangare-y effect that can be a bit more confusing.