Daily Fail, fail in a BIG way, bunch of idiots!

Can't see a problem. I like mongrels. Wouldn't pay a high price for one though. Actually, wouldn't buy from a breeder when the rescues are full to bursting.
 
I think it's a matter of taste, I wouldn't take a dog that looked like that as a gift, (I find puppies are a pain in the bum, why would I wanted a dog that looked like one forever :p) so it's not the perfect dog for me, the same as a lot of people wouldn't be interested in the kind of dog I have, and I am happy enough with my bargain bin, second-hand dog who is a pet, has great health test results, AND he can do a day's work. And dare I say it, I think he looks rather appealing :p

In all seriousness, if I wanted something 'cute' for life, I'd buy a teddy bear, with the added benefit that it wouldn't pee everywhere and chew the furniture. Article seems to be a plug for the kennels but DOES include:

Yorkies, Maltese and Pomeranians were popular for a while, and recently there have been hybrid hounds 'with cutesy names that end in '-oodle,' '-uddle' or '-poo' that come with thousand-dollar price tags,' said author and certified animal behavior consultant Darlene Arden of Massachusetts.
Arden said she was unfamiliar with the cava-poo-chon, though she applauded the use of a geneticist.
But she condemned 'gimmicks' that some breeders and groomers use to attract unwitting buyers.
'There is no such thing as a teacup anything,' Arden said. 'It is a market term used by backyard breeders and commercial breeders so they can breed the smallest dogs that shouldn't be bred and sell them for a whole lot of money. These dogs usually end up having health problems and most veterinarians don't want to touch them because the organs are so small.'
The American Kennel Club does not recognize the cava-poo-chon.
'AKC does not recognize cross-bred or mixed breed dogs as official breeds,' spokeswoman Lisa Peterson said. 'These dogs are the product of two purebred parents of different breeds, resulting in a litter of mixed breed puppies, not a new breed, according to our requirements.'
 
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The dog is cute, but it's not an 'accessory' as the Daily Fail claim. The kennels mentioned breed their bitches back to back. 'perfect pet accessory'-charming way to describe a dog.

'The cava-poo-chon is a cavalier King Charles spaniel and bichon frise mix bred with a miniature poodle. With the help of a geneticist and reproductive veterinarian, the tribrid or 'triple cross' was created by Linda and Steve Rogers of Timshell Farm in Pine, Arizona.
With a price tag ranging from $2,000 to $3,500, the cava-poo-chon combines the best of the three breeds, Linda Rogers said. She added that there is no reason they can't live for 20 years. The Rogers' offer a choice of color and two types of coat - curly or very curly, she said.'

My brain may actually explode now. ^^
 
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I wonder if the vet was the same one as here from their website? "We had been raising lovely AKC Golden Retrievers and our vets advised that yes, indeed, genetic faults are eliminated or greatly minimized by breeding for a crossbreed."

Classic puppy farmers changing with the changing market & obviously finding lots of gullible people.
 
Yes- they are mongrels, designer-dogs or whatever - but the market is changing. The long-established breeds were nearly all bred for their specific jobs, whether hunting, guarding, herding retrieving,or flushing - and originally bred from mixes of other dogs to refine their specialist traits. But there is a NEW job for dogs now, that of purely being a PET. So why shouldn't breeders breed for the traits people want these days? After all, they are doing no different to what breeders did many generations ago when they created the GSD, Dobe , spaniel or Labrador!
 
These traits already exist in the pure breeds.
Some breeds don't suit modern lifestyles but many do.
Poodles are fantastic dogs and there are plenty of other breeds that don't shed. A poodle would fit in any home that choses to buy a poodle cross and you would have the knowledge that it's coat would turn out as expected.
Back when other breeds were created there was an aim & early generations were removed/culled/given away. Now two breeds crossed & a made up name is for money -no other reason.
 
It's a cute expensive mongrel, probably a lovely pet, I can't see a problem. It doesn't look particularly like a puppy to me, it is how puppies behave that makes them so adorable rather than just looks. Not my cup of tea, but they are probably healthier than many kennel club purebreds.
 
I don't think it's the worst of possible mixes as all three have been very much companion breeds for some time - better than people taking home beagle or terrier crosses and things are worth what people will pay- that's the same for anything surely?
 
Each of these three breeds have their own cocktails of hereditary issues - crossing them will as easily perpetuate them than eliminate them, the 'crossbreeds are healthier' thing is an untruth which is perpetuated by puppy farmers who have been quids in since a certain television documentary, there are plenty of people on here with crossbreeds who have things like hip or elbow dysplasia, skin complaints etc.
 
CaveCanem- you are dead right- crossbreeds, mongrels, bitsers, designer dogs- whatever people call them have hereditary problems, as do purebreds. But no one has ever proven that there are MORE problems with crossbreeds, so if health issues are equal, why should people not have the crossbreeds if that is what they want? And it seems as if its what people DO want these days. And watching 'dog rescuers' the other week, where they raided a puppy farm in Manchester I think it was, there were more purebred big breeds (collies,huskies etc) than crossbred small breeds. So its not only 'designer dogs' bred for the 'quick buck'!
 
I would point out that in my extensive experience, cavalier king charles spaniels with all their dreadful dreadful hereditary conditions live to 14 - 15 years old very regularly :)

Wish I could say the same for my rescue greyhounds/lurchers! :(
 
Indeed PN. I suppose no one can force people to spend less on a well bred purebred of any or all of the individual breeds!

I don't think we can compare the painstaking work of the likes of Max von Stephanitz or Louis Dobermann to these folks In creating a breed. There are hundreds of companion breeds already.I doubt they are compiling a breed book and I doubt anyone will remember their names in 100 years.

Stormox, puppy farmers will sell whatever they think will sell and attach a sales pitch accordingly.
 
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Each of these three breeds have their own cocktails of hereditary issues - crossing them will as easily perpetuate them than eliminate them, the 'crossbreeds are healthier' thing is an untruth which is perpetuated by puppy farmers who have been quids in since a certain television documentary, there are plenty of people on here with crossbreeds who have things like hip or elbow dysplasia, skin complaints etc.
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Except , pure breds are often line bred with a very limited gene pool in some cases, at least with mongrels there is an element of healthy surviving dogs breeding rather than sick inbred ones helped by routine C sections. I'm not saying there are not genetic issues with mongrels, of course there are, but a wider gene pool is often healthier than those of a limited rare breed especially when some breeders turn a blind eye to inherent problems.
 
Yes and often there is no record of *anything* for a crossbreed or mongrel so you have aabsolutely no idea what is lurking in the lines or not.

Linebreeding can cause problems but at least with a pedigree you know what lines to avoid in future. Linebreeding can also be used to improve things like hips and character.
Documentation can help identify problem lines and good ones too.
 
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Except , pure breds are often line bred with a very limited gene pool in some cases, at least with mongrels there is an element of healthy surviving dogs breeding rather than sick inbred ones helped by routine C sections. I'm not saying there are not genetic issues with mongrels, of course there are, but a wider gene pool is often healthier than those of a limited rare breed especially when some breeders turn a blind eye to inherent problems.
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I agree that this could happen with rare pedigree dogs, but there is a vast gene pool for all three breeds in this particular mongrel
 
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It's a cute expensive mongrel, probably a lovely pet, I can't see a problem. It doesn't look particularly like a puppy to me, it is how puppies behave that makes them so adorable rather than just looks. Not my cup of tea, but they are probably healthier than many kennel club purebreds.
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Perpetuate that excellent programme!! Purely because the KC have kept it this way. Decent breeders health test, unlike the kennel mentioned in the article which back to back breeds the bitches and doesn't health test. Health testing is the only way to TRY to ensure healthy pups.

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Each of these three breeds have their own cocktails of hereditary issues - crossing them will as easily perpetuate them than eliminate them, the 'crossbreeds are healthier' thing is an untruth which is perpetuated by puppy farmers who have been quids in since a certain television documentary, there are plenty of people on here with crossbreeds who have things like hip or elbow dysplasia, skin complaints etc.
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This ^^ or 'pure bred' dogs who aren't necessarily KC registered and have had no health testing on the parents.
 
I will say it again all dogs shred hair just some more than others. What people are allergic to are dust mites that live in dogs coats. The hairer the dog the more mites it has so they need washing to keep the dust mites down. Plus get wooden floors which helps cut allergies again. My step daughter was meant to have allergies she has reacts to dust mites had an inhaler blah blah, wash her bedding on a hot wash keep her room clean and put the dehumidifier in there during the day and she hasn't used it since she stayed here when she goes home to a tip of a house she is back coughing again btw we have dogs she doesn't at her other home but she has carpets and a hell of a lot of dust.
 
Oh my goodness, vets won't treat the extra small dogs because of the size of their organs, according to a report above. How on earth do they manage when people bring in their rats, mice and guinea pigs???
 
I do think that breeders of this sort of dog and alike should be using health tested parents. Beyond that I don't really see the issue.
 
As a dog groomer , I can't even bring my self to read the article. That combination of coats would be a nightmare to maintain, resulting in lots of matted wee dogs!
 
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I do think that breeders of this sort of dog and alike should be using health tested parents. Beyond that I don't really see the issue.
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And maybe not breeding bitches back to back, or is that ok? :rolleyes3: There's also the issue of charging stupid money because it's a mix as opposed to a pedigree!
 
I have just read the article again, cinnamontoast, and I cant see anywhere it says they breed bitches on consecutive seasons (that is what you mean by back to back, isn't it?). Nor does it say they don't health test. So these are just assumptions, and I don't think its very polite to label people 'a bunch of idiots' just because they pay over the value you put on a puppy. Or is it the breeders you are calling idiots (based on the above assumptions)? or the paper itself?
 
From another forum where someone has done research on the breeder:
'The puppy farm's website is horrendous..they're even openly advertising they're breeding ALL their girls back to back with very little to no break in between.'

I'm calling the breeders idiots-have you seen that they've crossed a retriever with a CKCS?!

I see no mention of health testing, but they do subscribe to the mythical 'hybrid vigour' because they use three breeds theory, classic! I do think the Daily Fail are dumb, advertising this type of breeder so near to Christmas.
 
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No that's not ok either.

I can't get wound up about the price though.. as I said earlier things are are worth whatever people are prepared to pay... whether I think those people need their heads checking is another matter.
 
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