Dancing on Ice anyone ?? *pic* ....

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Colleen_Miss_Tom

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Our yard currently looks like this .... YO has done nothing about it, I on the other hand nearly slid into the horsebox
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this evening, Lucky enough hubby had some grit and salt left over from doing our own place, So done the whole yard this evening including the lane .

Is it really up to me to do this ??
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I'm just in one of those moods, another livery who never feeds her bloody horse in the mornings is constantly nickering at me . I feel so sorry for the darn thing, I've been feeding it every morning, this morning it had no water and has been standing in sh1te all week
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.... I have been constantly saying ... "Look I'll feed her in the morning, I don't mind " then livery says .. " no its fine, I'll do her " .... only to be found out shes not feeding the darn thing
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.... Shes constantly running out of haylage, her OH is an ignoramus fecktard who keeps taking my haylage, does he think I am that stupid ??
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Anyhooos ... I'll shut up now, sorry for that mini rant.... feeling better already
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Hope no one from your yard comes on here or they're gonna realise who you are pretty quick lol! That is very bad ice though, shocking that your YO hasn't gritted!
 
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Part of our yard was like that with black ice on some days too, but thankfully it's only where I park my car, not anywhere I have to lead the horses as they are out 24/7.
 
I'm still on crutches at the moment and so when I go to my mum's she has been salting a pathway for me. She ran out of salt the other day and so she used a cheap ASDA brand dish washer salt. She said she used a handful of dish washer salt compared to a full tub/bottle of normal salt! Maybe worth a try if all else fails?
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bllooooodyhelll!

obviously - YO to get yours and your horses ice skates out....

Whats that? You mean you don't have any?? well thats just ridiculous....


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Well done!
Our yard is exactly the same, YO has run out of salt and can't get anymore, we've put shavings in the gateway as it's on a slope and have managed to dig a small path around the edge.
The car park and driveway is still lethal though.
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Just to jump to the defence of the yard owner (and no, I'm not a yard owner but ours is very conscientious and I've had this discussion with him) - they are stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of liability.

Basically, if they do grit or salt any of the yard, that is them saying they are taking responsibility for it, therefore if, for example, a horse or owner walks on an ungritted area, or the yard refreezes again overnight and someone hurts themselves on it before the YO is able to re-grit, they are then liable for the injury from an insurance perspective. However, if they do not grit at all then they are not liable for injuries, even if they occur on their land, since by not gritting they do not have liability for the state of the yard.

I'm not saying I agree with this, just saying that, in terms of legality (there are lots of ins and outs but this is the basic gist) the yard owner has a better case if they don't grit the yard and someone is injured, than if they do.

All seems very ridiculous to me, and my yard owner agreed that he wanted to grit as it wasn't safe, but he can't take the risk because on our large yard there are a few people who would be quick to try and claim if he had gritted and they got hurt. The only way we got around it was to buy grit and salt ourselves and do the yard - this way you have safer tracks to walk horses down and the YO is not liable should anyone, for example, decide to walk on an un-gritted area andhurt themselves.

Once you split the price of a few bags of grit between a group it doesn't amount to much and is far better than a hefty vets bill!

So I agree it's not ideal - and maybe, OP, your yard owner is just being difficult and ignorant - but there are other things to consider, no matter how backward they seem!!!!
 
Subens this has been discussed a lot before recently. YO also has responsiblity to customers and employees via health and safety lesigslation. all other businesses have been clearing/salting/gritting presumably opening themselves up to the same sort of problems. so why yard owners dont is beyond me.
 
Agree they should ideally do something - just being devil's advocate (sorry, relatively new member so hadn't seen previous discussions on this!).

It's a very tricky one - I agree there are other considerations but from what I can gather the potential consequences for a YO are worse if they DO do something about it than if they don't!! I may be wrong on this but have spoken to a few people and this seems to be the case - I'm no lawyer though! From my POV, my YO is really stuck with what to do - all his instincts are saying to do something but with this being his business he can't risk it legally. It's stupid red tape and legislation as per usual!!!
 
Its absolutely rubbish - the YO has a Duty of Care to his clients and staff to be able to move around the yard safely. Not doing anything is no defence. Its obvious there is a problem and something should have been done. Time and time again we hear this argument. All reasonable steps should be taken as soon as they can be.

If some water was spilt on Sainsbury's floor and someone slipped over - they wouldn't be able to say "We didn't clear it up therefore its nothing to do with us"
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