Law
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Erm
Flintus is not a girl!
Flintus is not a girl!
dangerous horse back again!! LONG rant but need advice
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harrihjc
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(I thought Flintus was male, ruling out time of the month issues. Am I wrong!?)
Definitely speak to your vet if he is a rig, its not something I've ever come across and I havent heard about rig injections before, but its likely this could have an influence on his behaviour.
As others have said, maybe its the spring grass? Mine have both gone absolutley bonkers this last week.
My mare is only 13.2hh, but she sometimes behaves in exactly the same way, really lunging at you, rearing over your head and kicking out and it is terrifying. We've found you just have to show your authority (easier said than done), make yourself as big as possible, maybe put your arms up so you're like a Y shape. If you back off or show any kind of intimidated body language they think they've got you. As soon as Maddy realises you're not scared (when actually you're terrified) she reluctantly gives up. Although as I said, a 13.2hh is considereably less intimidating thatn something bigger! Good luck, and wear a hat!
Definitely speak to your vet if he is a rig, its not something I've ever come across and I havent heard about rig injections before, but its likely this could have an influence on his behaviour.
As others have said, maybe its the spring grass? Mine have both gone absolutley bonkers this last week.
My mare is only 13.2hh, but she sometimes behaves in exactly the same way, really lunging at you, rearing over your head and kicking out and it is terrifying. We've found you just have to show your authority (easier said than done), make yourself as big as possible, maybe put your arms up so you're like a Y shape. If you back off or show any kind of intimidated body language they think they've got you. As soon as Maddy realises you're not scared (when actually you're terrified) she reluctantly gives up. Although as I said, a 13.2hh is considereably less intimidating thatn something bigger! Good luck, and wear a hat!
Hedgewitch13
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Oh pants....
So sorry MR Flintus!! Y'know when you think you have a good idea and just post it regardless because you think you might be helping...... but you aren't really thinking in the first place *cough* well that was me.....
filly190
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I have owned a rig, firstly I knew because the vet gelded him with only one and said it would be ok!!! He was in training (racing) and I owned him. He had an injury and I brought him home and found his behaviour very similar to how you describe.
We had mares dotted around and it was them coming in session that set him off. The vet then said he would need a full op to remove the other one, (which is expensive) and at that point because his injury was extremely long term, I gave him free to the trainer who wanted him back. I was'nt prepared to handle him until he was well enough for the op, as he had taken to tummy slapping when I went in the stable.
I think its worth a blood test to see if he is a rig, because one op and lots of pennies will soon sort him out.
We had mares dotted around and it was them coming in session that set him off. The vet then said he would need a full op to remove the other one, (which is expensive) and at that point because his injury was extremely long term, I gave him free to the trainer who wanted him back. I was'nt prepared to handle him until he was well enough for the op, as he had taken to tummy slapping when I went in the stable.
I think its worth a blood test to see if he is a rig, because one op and lots of pennies will soon sort him out.
Faithkat
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He's not a 16.3hh bay TB x WB, 11/12 years old, is he by any chance? He sounds exactly like a horse a my son had for a little while (on "permanent" loan) but had to go back because he behaved exactly like your Flintus and that was 2 years ago . . . he was bloody dangerous and went back before one of us got hurt.
HBII
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Hi flintus
Sorry to hear you are having problems, I havent read all the replies. PLayboy says you have upped his feed I would be tempted to cut out any heating elements of his feed. Also I take it you have done the usual checks; teeth back blah blah. Also to me it does sound like spring is springing - in addition his behaviour sounds like his could be a rig.
In addition to this you say you work him daily - he could just be too fit!
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Sorry to hear you are having problems, I havent read all the replies. PLayboy says you have upped his feed I would be tempted to cut out any heating elements of his feed. Also I take it you have done the usual checks; teeth back blah blah. Also to me it does sound like spring is springing - in addition his behaviour sounds like his could be a rig.
In addition to this you say you work him daily - he could just be too fit!
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PLAYBOY
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Flintus is a man but he can borrow my perfume lol xx
polyphonic
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he has been tested, and yes he is. I have the vet coming out this morn to see flint. the injection we used to have is no longer available as its an illegal drug in the EU. so the vet is going to look at other options for me and flint. He can be quite aggressive with other horses of the male variety but generally he is well behaved. and im amle aswell! lol no offence taken with he needs manners, he DOES. when he's this stupid i need atleast something to be able to curb!
filly190
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So he is a rig, from experience the only cure is the very expensive operation. I choose not to go down that road and it depends on if you want to keep him.
Knowning horses that have had it done, the results do varry, firstly it takes quite a few months for them to get the stallion hormones out of their system, so you could be dealing with him for quite a bit longer.
Secondly because he is older and the behaviour is learnt and implanted into his brian, it may not have all the success you wish for.
We dont get to see many case studies and hands on experience of this because people tend to keep quiet about rigs and they do get moved on from home to home.
Knowning horses that have had it done, the results do varry, firstly it takes quite a few months for them to get the stallion hormones out of their system, so you could be dealing with him for quite a bit longer.
Secondly because he is older and the behaviour is learnt and implanted into his brian, it may not have all the success you wish for.
We dont get to see many case studies and hands on experience of this because people tend to keep quiet about rigs and they do get moved on from home to home.
custard
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Sorry flintus didnt realise you were a chap! Still regardless of the reasons why hes playing you up i think some horses are just like kids. You think youve got the better of them then they think up something else naughty to challenge your authority and test the boundaries. It sounds like he really thinks he can push you about and needs his 'bottom smacking'. Trouble is having a horse like this gets really tiresome after a while and what should be an enjoyable hobby becomes a chore
mat
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Hi Flintus,
Maybe some advice of how we need to treat the stallions at this time of year would help.
As stated above, chiffney on the ground and when turning out.
The comment about being on the time of the month was v. funny, but what stallions do react to with women AND men, is if you wear any sort of strong smelling deoderant/aftershave, as it can arouse them.
Although i dont usually practise it, join up type activities in your school can help you to re establish the relationship, so he realises you are the dominant stallion.
It is good that he is kept away from the other horses, but it does make the stallions get a little fraught when they are out of their stables as they are desperate to find a mate!
when you lunge him, make sure you walk level with his hind quarters so you are really driving him forward.
You may also want to try buying some baby strength vicks, to put under his nose, the smell will prevent him getting a whiff of anything that may set him off. (Full strength can blister their noses so use baby strength)
I hope this helps a bit, it will be interesting to hear what happens when the vet sees him.
Maybe some advice of how we need to treat the stallions at this time of year would help.
As stated above, chiffney on the ground and when turning out.
The comment about being on the time of the month was v. funny, but what stallions do react to with women AND men, is if you wear any sort of strong smelling deoderant/aftershave, as it can arouse them.
Although i dont usually practise it, join up type activities in your school can help you to re establish the relationship, so he realises you are the dominant stallion.
It is good that he is kept away from the other horses, but it does make the stallions get a little fraught when they are out of their stables as they are desperate to find a mate!
when you lunge him, make sure you walk level with his hind quarters so you are really driving him forward.
You may also want to try buying some baby strength vicks, to put under his nose, the smell will prevent him getting a whiff of anything that may set him off. (Full strength can blister their noses so use baby strength)
I hope this helps a bit, it will be interesting to hear what happens when the vet sees him.
mat
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p.s dont take his behaviour personally, if its his hormones, he really cant help it!
spaniel
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I can recommend Pax coaxing fluid too, not on the horse but on yourself. It takes off the edge if you are 'smelly' for whatever reason.