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Ok so here's what I have been told....

my rising 2 colt (to make 12 hands) has been deemed as dangerous for the pair of 15 hand cobs to be out in the field with. Now from the start he was out with 5 horses and he was the only pony but since one of the horses passed away and another 2 left the yard, there are only 2 cobs and my section A left. He's never been any problem to others. Always baby talks them when he goes out but all of a sudden he's not to go out with the cobs because "he's a stallion and he's dangerous" nothing to do with the fact that they could quite easily kill him!

i try to get up to the yard earlier and earlier every day to try and get him out before they put theirs out but then when I get there I see the 2 cobs already out. I got him out for 3 hours last week in the morning before the owner came up and started screaming at me about her routine.

What am I supposed to do? I put him out at night but then he has to be in for 10pm(farmers rules) so he's only really getting 3 hours a night out in the field.

Then the cobs owner said to me yesterday that it was my fault that he is in all day and not getting out but she won't even give me a chance to get him out for 12 hours. (He is getting gelded next week as only time they could do it even though I didn't actually want him gelded but there's no other option for him)
 
Can you not speak to your YO about having him in his own paddock? Surely if you aren't able to use your paddock then its down to the YO to decide what happens next with regards to turnout even if you and the other day have to alternate.

If you dont want him gelded and this yard wont allow him turnout then I personally would move to a yard which allows him to go out.
 
Your little colt, soon to be gelding, needs somewhere else to live really, it is not an ideal situation for him to be in so much or out with others that come and go which is likely if they get ridden, he would benefit from being turned away properly with a stable group of other small ponies, after gelding he must get turned out as much as possible, ideally 24/7 to help stop him swelling up, if I were you I would start looking for a more suitable yard that is better geared towards having young ponies. You would probably be happier elsewhere also as it sounds an unpleasant place to be.
 
Can he not go to the yard where your pregnant friends stallion is? Surely that would kill two birds with one stone - they'll be stallion sympathetic, and you won't have to go to two yards to look after two horses!
 
The farmer suggested I put him out at night but then told me that I was to make sure he was in for 10pm. the manager who lives on yard said he would try to get another field for him. My only option during the day is to go to the field everyone rides in and sit there while he's out as it's not a secure field at one side. I asked around a few yards and they wernt able to accommodate him as he isn't gelded but iv organised for him to be gelded so that he can get out with the others like he was before. It's only been since the 'problem' horse left but to be honest the horse they called a problem was lovely but had been previously abused by someone when he was young. I suggested a field rotation but not had any luck.

Poor wee pi is bored senseless and I feel terrible for him. I guess I'm just going to have to be more assertive with the cobs owner.

He had no handling/human contact when we got him. He was rounded up into a trailer, brought to me and straight into a field. 3 weeks of carrot bribery got him to come near me and now iv had him 4 months and he's brilliant. Farrier thought he was well handled from newborn foal. The vet loves him and how polite he is when you go into his stable just the nipping that bothers me but that started when the field nonsense started.

He's not a danger to the cobs though. He's too busy trying to play
 
Auslander said:
Can he not go to the yard where your pregnant friends stallion is? Surely that would kill two birds with one stone - they'll be stallion sympathetic, and you won't have to go to two yards to look after two horses!
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I asked the yard owner there and he doesn't do DIY livery, only full or part and I prefer to do everything myself.
 
Firstly make sure you aren't looking at this through rose tinted specs. Although the pony is only trying to play this doesn't make a situation any less damaging for a horse on the receiving end.

Secondly I would personally bite your tongue for the next week as once gelded your chap will need as much turn out time as possible and you may need to appeal to the owners of the two cobs for cooperation at that time

Lastly I would see if you can move yards, gelding will not stop all of the complaints as young ponies are going to be playful whether they have balls or not and it does take a while for any colt-ish behaviour to go after the operation too. Really your pony needs other young or at least playful field mates
 
Assuming he isn't dangerous.

Why do the other two liveries get to decide when yours goes out and where? You pay just like they do, you have every right to access the facilities as they do.. Unless your yo says otherwise. I wouldn't be leaving mine in just to accommodate others when there's no reason for the sudden decision about his behaviour.

If he is being a pain id either move or ask for a separate paddock.
 
Sizzlea89 said:
I asked the yard owner there and he doesn't do DIY livery, only full or part and I prefer to do everything myself.
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I don't suppose he'd like to join a few happy relaxed boys on grass livery in a big exciting field with woods, streams, waterfalls and tracks?

I'm looking for a couple of additional field shares, and have been looking for either a couple of young unbacked horses or a couple of older retired horses to join the two already there. 20 acres of rolling hillside and one sensible plus one playful horse already in residence ;)
 
risky business said:
Assuming he isn't dangerous.

Why do the other two liveries get to decide when yours goes out and where? You pay just like they do, you have every right to access the facilities as they do.. Unless your yo says otherwise. I wouldn't be leaving mine in just to accommodate others when there's no reason for the sudden decision about his behaviour.

If he is being a pain id either move or ask for a separate paddock.
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These were my thoughts also. Nothing worse than livery yards where some of the liveries think they rule the roost.
 
I don't think he's being a pain. I just got told not to put him out with them until he was gelded. I'm going to ask the farmer for a separate field. Iv already spoken to the farmer and he said that he would see what he can do but his wife has just had a baby and he's looking rather stressed and tired and I didn't want to add to his stress. There's a 2 year old coming to the yard in the next few weeks so hopefully once he's gelded he can be out and play with her. He trots round and tries to encourage the others to canter with him. He doesn't bite or kick them and I stay watching him until he settles.

The owner of the cobs has had horses on this farm for 20 years so I guess she's just been used to having the place to herself at points as there is only 6 stables and the yard is never full because it's hacking only.
 
Brightbay said:
I don't suppose he'd like to join a few happy relaxed boys on grass livery in a big exciting field with woods, streams, waterfalls and tracks?

I'm looking for a couple of additional field shares, and have been looking for either a couple of young unbacked horses or a couple of older retired horses to join the two already there. 20 acres of rolling hillside and one sensible plus one playful horse already in residence ;)
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How far away are you? Sounds amazing!
 
Just get him gelded next week, it is not long. Then decide if you want to change yards or stay put, he should be allowed to be turned out with others after six weeks.
 
I would not want a young colt "playing "with my geldings.
Geld him find a nice yard .
No need to keep him entire it will your and his life difficult
 
Geldings and colts playing is no different to two geldings playing, the only difference between the two is one can make babies the other cant. However the other liveries clearly have a thing about colts and unless he is a very well bred pony who will be in demand and make a name for himself and make lots of mares pregnant there is bo reason to keep him as a full horse/pony and it will only make his and your life very painful as livery yars do not accommodate for full horses. I dont understand why as many a stallion can be a very well behaved horse if treated correctly from the beginning of handling. So get him gelded asap and frankly i would move yards because the general feeling there is bot right, clearly too clicky. Good luck
 
The attitude the English have to stallions is very sad :(

For the sake of your little lad I would get him gelded & then move.

I had to keep my PRE on very limited (sometimes only 1 hr:() t/o when he was 18mo-2 years due to his growth plates and it was really hard for him and for me. He was gelded at 10mo as I didn't want a stallion and there was no need but I know if he'd been 'worthy' and I'd been a different owner my yo would have helped me come to a solution.

You aren't doing your chap any favours by either keeping him entire (unless he's super special) or by keeping him on that yard. You need to think about gelding him sooner rather than later anyway before the weather improves, flies and hot weather aren't ideal for a gelding!

The other people on your yard sound ridiculous! Do they think he's going to kill them just because he has balls?! My baby was out with the big boys for 2 months before he was done and played just as much as he did after! Their ignorant attitude alone would be enough for me to move!
 
Iv been planning on getting him gelded for a while. It's only 1 other livery on the yard and she was fine before a livery left. Don't quite know what's went on but I believe she has personal problems at the moment. The vet I have wants paid the day of the procedure. Which I can pay for this month and iv been told I have 3 weeks so it's around pay day thankfully. Iv got them to book him in. Would have got him done this week if the car didn't need a full new suspension set and some other part at the back. Not sure what it was. But yeah the car was broken and it cost a bit more than I expected to fix.
 
It never rains but it pours my cars also love to go wrong the same time as my horses .
I hope the gelding goes well .
 
Goldenstar said:
It never rains but it pours my cars also love to go wrong the same time as my horses .
I hope the gelding goes well .
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It's just typical. I guess that's what we get for buying a subaru. Parts are expensive. The bonus point is I have 3 mechanics in the family haha

I'm sure his gelding will go well he's a strong little pony.
 
You pay the vet invoice at the end of the month when it arrives, you do not hand the money over to the vet, so that gives you a bit of time to sort out finances.
 
My 18 year old TB was deemed dangerous because she paced in her field during the day, came in rearing and bucking on the lead rope (when everyone else had brought there horses in, and I was stuck at work, she was alone couldn't see anything), jumps electric fencing to reach longer grass on the other side.... bite people that flap around her... the list goes on...

I told them they were all ****s, and let my friends 13 year old lead her out to the field straight past the yard owner the day we were leaving the yard with a huge smug grin. Needless to say she walked out like a donkey and came in like a donkey... She is now in a field at home as happy as larry and enjoying life without the stress that others can cause...
 
WhisperQuietly said:
My 18 year old TB was deemed dangerous because she paced in her field during the day, came in rearing and bucking on the lead rope (when everyone else had brought there horses in, and I was stuck at work, she was alone couldn't see anything), jumps electric fencing to reach longer grass on the other side.... bite people that flap around her... the list goes on...

I told them they were all ****s, and let my friends 13 year old lead her out to the field straight past the yard owner the day we were leaving the yard with a huge smug grin. Needless to say she walked out like a donkey and came in like a donkey... She is now in a field at home as happy as larry and enjoying life without the stress that others can cause...
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The ending is exactly what I like to hear!
 
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