Danilon......

[dieseldog]

This Danilon is a bit more expensive http://www.danilon.co.uk/


This one is £29.38 free delivery

http://www.vetmedsplus.co.uk/mm5/merchan...;Category_Code=

 

[Dougie]

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Ohh thats sad.

Thanks for the help.... have worked out that Danilon from my vet is 89p per sachet!!

Danilon from web is 59p and Bute is 43p So will be asking for a private script for danilon now.... no way should it be 30p per sachet more.... thats another £18 a month!!! Do they think that we are made of money!!!

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they are a business not a charity

 

[dieseldog]

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Ohh thats sad.

Thanks for the help.... have worked out that Danilon from my vet is 89p per sachet!!

Danilon from web is 59p and Bute is 43p So will be asking for a private script for danilon now.... no way should it be 30p per sachet more.... thats another £18 a month!!! Do they think that we are made of money!!!

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they are a business not a charity

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Correct but the people on the internet are still making money selling it at that price and they are a business not a charity as well.....

 

[loopylucifer]

I might be wrong but danilon is not the same as bute it has the same effects. it is a different drug phenalbutazone 'bute' is the drug name for equplazone/pro dyam and several others. danilon is a differnet drug called subxio?????. it is aborbed much quicker and utilised quicker therefore causes less damage andhaving read a few studies on its useage none have seenany of the side effects associated with bute.

 

[ann-jen]

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Ohh thats sad.

Thanks for the help.... have worked out that Danilon from my vet is 89p per sachet!!

Danilon from web is 59p and Bute is 43p So will be asking for a private script for danilon now.... no way should it be 30p per sachet more.... thats another £18 a month!!! Do they think that we are made of money!!!


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they are a business not a charity


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Correct but the people on the internet are still making money selling it at that price and they are a business not a charity as well.....


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The difference is that the vet - as a small business has very high overheads to cover and the internet drug companies do not. Basically to set up an internet business they near enough just need to set up a warehouse and all they do is dispense drugs from there. Vets have higher overheads in terms of staff, drugs and equipment - provision of 24h nursing care and the list goes on.... Also internet companies probably buy drugs in on a massive scale and therefore get a corresponding huge discount that they can pass on to their customers. Some of the prices that I've seen on internet sites are for less than we can buy it in for and so its impossible to compete with that. My main fear is that if as vets we lose the business from drug sales then our fees for ops and consults may have to go up to compensate for it - personally so far the loss of business hasn't affected us to the point where we would need to consider this and most of our clients still buy directly from us.

 

[Nailed]

loopy.. look at what danolin breaks down into. Phenylbutazone.

It still contains benzene rings and is therefore no good for the horses.

To be honest with you, you got to be cruel to be kind.. and i will continue to feed bute as apposed to danolin until i see a need for change.

 

[Chex]

But it breaks down later, so doesn't cause the stomach ulcers I think

. As for the other damage, the vet was saying the other day that horses are so huge that very little damage is ever caused by bute, unlike humans and dogs which are affected quite badly by bute (or something along those lines, I foget exactly what it was

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[GreedyGuts]

Danilon and bute are metabolised to exactly the same compound, and it is a myth that danilon is any gentler. The side effects of these drugs, mainly gastric ulceration, are not caused by the direct effects of the drug contacting the stomach lining, but by the way that the drug affects blood supply to the organs once it's in the horses system.

 

[merlinsquest]

I can see that the vets need to make a profit from the sale of drugs but cant see why it needs to be 30p per sachet!!! that is a huge hike in price, profit or not.

But really that wasnt the question...

what I really want to know is whether bute is detrimental to the horse as apposed to danilon....... and...... if danilon is really better as a drug than bute for any other reasons, as has been pointed out by other posters....

Are there any scientists or vets that can answer for sure???

 

[GreedyGuts]

I am a vet, and as I said previously, there is really no difference. If your mare is a reasonable size and having 1.5 sachets a day, the chance of this resulting in problems, even in the long term is reasonably slim, although it might be worth seeing if you can reduce her to one sachet at some stage.

Liver damage does not generally result from the administration of bute, but preexisting liver damage can exacerbate the other side effects. The major risk is gastric ulceration, with kidney damage uncommonly occuring. This results from a reduction in the blood supply to these organs.

Having horses on NSAIDS long term is not ideal, but as you recognise it is often a trade off, and you seem to have realistic expectations of what can be achieved. I would not hesitate to use bute over danilon. They are the same drug in essence, and the notion of danilon being gentler is a marketing ploy - the damage occurs when the drug is in the horses system, not as a result of local irritation on the stomach.

Hope that is helpful.

 

[merlinsquest]

Many thanks Greedyguts

That was the kind of answer I was after... so many people have the idea that its better to give danilon (me included)!! as its what we are told by our vets.

However I will now test if he will eat bute and when at the vets tomorrow will ask for it if he will.

He is 15.1hh and around 470kg and at the moment he is on 2 sachets a day, so sounds ok especially if can be reduced to 1 as a maintenance dose.

Just as another query if you dont mind answering.... what is your view of Tildren (esp the side effects) I have been offered this as the next step to treat Merlins arthritic fetlock joint (only one joint involved).

Kind regards