Darlan Fatal fall at Doncaster :(

Leviathan said:
Maybe because this thread was started as a tribute for a talent young horse who tragically died, and for people to send their condolences and tributes.

OP I am sure did not intend this thread to digress into this.


Maybe if the thread was called

What do you think of racing is it a waste of horses or not

or

Please tell me what you think about horses dying in racing:rolleyes:
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Exactly.
Nothing wrong with lively debate but there is a time and a place and also a way of expressing that. Some people just want to argue with anyone who doesn't have the same view and continue that argument until they are the last voice standing. :(
 
Leviathan said:
Maybe if the thread was called

What do you think of racing is it a waste of horses or not

or

Please tell me what you think about horses dying in racing:rolleyes:
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or

Should the death of famous racehorses be singled out for condolence while others go unremarked?

(which I believe was CPT's original point)
 
fburton said:
or

Should the death of famous racehorses be singled out for condolence while others go unremarked?

(which I believe was CPT's original point)
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Is it really so hard to see why?? As I said before Darlan was a high profile horse, a hot Cheltenham contender, I fully expect that the death of David Beckham will attract far more media attention than my own!
 
Probably because some of the ‘good points’ are lost in the arguing with everyone and constantly quoting people and then responding with what comes across in an aggressive ‘my way is the right way’ manner, when actually the thread was to express sadness at the loss of a talented young hurdler, not to debate the wrongs and rights of NH racing, or any other horse sport for that matter.
 
minesadouble said:
Is it really so hard to see why?? As I said before Darlan was a high profile horse, a hot Cheltenham contender, I fully expect that the death of David Beckham will attract far more media attention than my own!
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Sure, though one would hope that DB's death would not be considered any more tragic than that of any of the couple of thousand or so ordinary folk who happened to die the same day.
 
fburton said:
or

Should the death of famous racehorses be singled out for condolence while others go unremarked?

(which I believe was CPT's original point)
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The "point" is OP posted this thread to make us aware of "This" horses sad death. It was OP who brought our attention to a "singled" out horse. Nothing about other horse being killed etc. So I do not see other horses deaths have anything to do with OP threads:confused: and they did not say anything about Other horses deaths mean nothing only this one which is why they posted it.

Seeing there are hundreds of horses that die on the tracks and most of us have not heard of most of them, its refreshing for a poster to bring this up so even if we have not heard of the said horse we can wish it a RIP which is the purpose of this thread is it not???


It is not to start a heated discussion about every single horse that dies in training or on the field, just because a horse is not mentioned here does not mean it is not sad or tragic. Unless they are mentioned here no one would know would they?
 
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fburton said:
Sure, though one would hope that DB's death would not be considered any more tragic than that of any of the couple of thousand or so ordinary folk who happened to die the same day.
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It would though because of the media induced celeb culture that we live in. In the same way the loss of Darlan made headline sports news compared to the other horses that died on Monday.

It's the society and times that we live in sadly.
 
Justajob. Please do not tell me where or when I can post. This thread is in Latest News and were my post against the t's and c's it would be up to the mods to remove, not the self styled ball bashers on here.
Also, if you MUST comment, try to read all previous remarks before singling out. I already said I love racing in a previous post and I commented on the ONE syndicate I know, which I explained. Hardly tarring anything.
I support racing and I bet regularly and visit courses...therefore I shall damn well comment.
 
Sorry Amymay I missed you out:rolleyes:But 1 or 3 or 4 people hi jacked this post for their own opinions, that most people really don't want to hear.
What was meant not as a tribute but the loss of a good young horse and it didn't matter what job he was doing and lets face it most of our horses are doing a job, whether as a companion,hacker,showjumper,eventer,mother and yes you guessed it right a RACEHORSE. Yes many of us watch NH racing/flat racing and guess what enjoy it and no we don't like to see horses lose their lives neither does anyone else.
 
I was watching on ATR, I had been looking forward to the contest between Rock on Ruby and Darlan for days.

Darlan came to win his race, didn't get his legs down in time and fell on his neck and was gone. In a nanosecond he went from lighting up a winter day to leaving everyone reeling in shock and disbelief. The whole racecourse was subdued, the ATR studios were struggling to move on, and even in victory, Rock on Ruby's connections first comments were about Darlan, not the win.

Darlan knew nothing about it, he'd led a wonderful life and been treated like royalty.

My heart goes out the yard, especially his lad who so obviously adored him, AP and the owner.

I despair at those who seem to celebrate the death of a high profile horse as a means to peddle their pettiness.


RIP beautiful boy.

ETA, so sorry for your loss, EKW.
 
justabob said:
You seem to be talking about a syndicate that has little regard for the horses that they have in training. I am sure there are many such syndicates of non horsey people who are only concerned about winners. I really dont think that you can tarr all owners with the same brush. I certainly also don't for one moment think that your rather depressing slant on racing has anything to do with this thread and the homage that HHOers wanted to pay to the truly talented horse Darlan.
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Partridg3 said:
Justajob. Please do not tell me where or when I can post. This thread is in Latest News and were my post against the t's and c's it would be up to the mods to remove, not the self styled ball bashers on here.
Also, if you MUST comment, try to read all previous remarks before singling out. I already said I love racing in a previous post and I commented on the ONE syndicate I know, which I explained. Hardly tarring anything.
I support racing and I bet regularly and visit courses...therefore I shall damn well comment.
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I am sorry for the confusion with the above comment, I was replying to you Partridg3, I shall damn well comment also.
 
Justabob - going off message - but assuming that your 'name' comes from the fantastic Jane Smiley book ' horse heaven'?
What a fantastic book that was - I think that in comparison UK and Irish racing still has more morals - and the death of Darlan can not be atttributed to greed / syndicates or anything else, just bad luck - sadly.
 
dressedkez said:
Justabob - going off message - but assuming that your 'name' comes from the fantastic Jane Smiley book ' horse heaven'?
What a fantastic book that was - I think that in comparison UK and Irish racing still has more morals - and the death of Darlan can not be atttributed to greed / syndicates or anything else, just bad luck - sadly.
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Yes! my user name does indeed come from that wonderful book, a very thought provoking book it is too. I have given it to many people to read, some love it, others dont get it. I agree with you that it was bad luck and my point was that this thread was simply for us to pay homage to Darlan, and not to fall out about racing. We are, as you say, a better country for racehorses than the factory yards in the States.
 
cptrayes said:
If you do, fine. But I really can't see JP McManus, Nicholson or the groom crying over this horse in a year's time, otherwise they'd be constantly in tears over the number of horses which have died or been put down for injury in their time involved with them.
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You obviously didn't see John Hales after Neptune won at the Grand National, he did that because he believed in the dream, he knew all about the heartbreak he had been there with One Man at that course previously. JP McManus often retires his horses at his stud in Ireland (King Johns Castle being one of them the non starter at the GN a couple of years ago). I don't really think your argument about owners not caring stacks up, what about people who have horses on full or competition livery, do they care less?
EKW sorry to hear about your charge :( the odd bods do leave a funny shaped hole
 
justabob said:
Yes! my user name does indeed come from that wonderful book, a very thought provoking book it is too. I have given it to many people to read, some love it, others dont get it. I agree with you that it was bad luck and my point was that this thread was simply for us to pay homage to Darlan, and not to fall out about racing. We are, as you say, a better country for racehorses than the factory yards in the States.
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Delighted I got the connnection right, and I urge any horse racing fan - or horse fan generally to get on to Amazon and get a copy of this book - as Justabob says, some of you will 'get' it and others will not. Agree with Echo Bravo let us collectively let Darlan, AP, JP and Nicki Henderson RIP now and move on.
 
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