***Daughter and Dolly-showing/qualifying/membership help needed***

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Hi everyone!

I'll try to keep this buried to minimise typos as I'm on my tablet!

Its no secret that we're entering our third year with Dolly, and I know daughters legs aren't getting any shorter, therefore we need to make this year a good un!!

I've found a local-ish show (national long society) with qualifiers for all sorts of things, hoys included. A girl can dream can't she!!! And I have questions, many questions!

We are not yet members of any society (bsps, NPS, etc...) Nor does Dolly have a height certificate.

I can never understand these schedules, but I think to qualify for anything she needs both of the above. Does that sound correct?

Show is at end of may, is it feasible for me to get both of the above by then if required???

Lastly, she's thinking of entering show hunter pony, and riding pony, does that sound OK for Dolly???

Entries close on 10th May so I need to get my act in gear if we're gonna go for this.

Help and advice greatly appreciated!!!!

I have love hearts and handy!!! : )

Thank you xxx
 
Oh flippin eck.

Its national pony society (not long society!!)

And I have shandy. Not handy! Suppose that could have been worse!!!

Sorry everyone! X
 
If its a NPS show and you want to try qualify then yes would need to be a member, height certificate not sure about but know for m&m classes you only need to produce one if qualify for RI or HOYS, well unless your obviously over height then they might query it not sure never had to.

So not sure about the classes your looking at but possibly, you should definitely be able to get membership sorted in time though.
 
No don't need one to be a member and possibly wouldn't need one unless qualify, maybe give the NPS a ring if no one else can answer for definite.
 
Height cert is only needed if you qualify. We've entered a hoys qualifier at the three counties without one but would need to get one if we were to qualify
 
Thanks Lissa and shadowboy. That's good news. It'll be a lot quicker to just get membership than get shoes off, measured and shoes back on.

Any idea which would be best for membership NPS, bsps etc.....
 
Depended what classes you want to do and what you wasn't to try qualify for as different society's have qualifiers for different things depending on what classes you do.
 
Just had a look at NPS membership form, looks quick and straightforward.

However when I looked at the rule book, it goes on about pony needing to be registered with relevant stud books??? I'm completely lost that, perhaps I'm looking at something that's not relevant.

Think I'll call or email them tomorrow!

Honestly D+ D will probably be out of their league with all of this, but got to give them a shot this year. X
 
I think you will need a height certificate for the hunter pony/ riding pony classes, they are not required for M&Ms which is probably what you were looking at regarding the stud books etc.
It make sense to get on and measure her now so it is out of the way before you really get going, once done it means you can register her and compete where ever you want.
 
Yes I bet you're right. I'll email tomorrow and find out I think.

It needs doing anyway, just would be handy if want needed immediately from a time off work to take her, rush by end of may and money point of view.

But if it needs doing, I'll just have to get a move on!!!

What do you think be positive? NPS or bsps? Or anyone else?

Does the stud book thing apply to dolly? If so, is there a Heinz pony stud book? ; )
 
Mulled wine - I believe its a case of shoes off by farrier then trip to vets to a chap who can measure her as registered with jmb and then shoes back on. That should give us a height certificate. And I think if we then have it done again next year, we'll have a life height certificate.

I think......
 
redmone said:
Mulled wine - I believe its a case of shoes off by farrier then trip to vets to a chap who can measure her as registered with jmb and then shoes back on. That should give us a height certificate. And I think if we then have it done again next year, we'll have a life height certificate.

I think......
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That's about it, if they are 6 or over when the first is done the second will be the life one.

As for who to register with I would look at the shows in your area, where you may like to go to a Championship show if that is your aim, the classes that are open to you then choose who to register with. NPS is probably best for the M&Ms, BSPS may give you plenty to choose from and a load of classes at the champs.
 
Decide what the pony is, a show hunter or a riding pony, can't be both :p height certificate is from certain vets, you usually have to transport pony to vet.
 
Agree with above - first decide if she's a SHP or Show pony - the height divisions are different, and rider age is strictly adhered to (I.e, 14hh SHP to be ridden by u18s I think), etc
Once decided, (some pics might help us help?) look at the JMB website to find official measurers local to you, and how to get your horse measured.
 
Why not zigzag?? : )

Two classes, one show, couple of hours apart! Being a bit rubbish at all this, thought it was best to let them enter both and let judge decide which she is!

Otherwise, if youve seen my photos in past, which would you say she is?

She enters show hunter pony classes locally and does OK. Is riding pony like riding club pony, as I've been told she'd be good for that.

Confused ; (
 
Riding pony are the pretty ponies , coloured browbands etc like minature TB's, show hunter ponies are heavier and are minture hunters, can't recall your pics sorry, but there is a hell of a difference between a riding pony and a SHP
 
Oh I thought riding ponies was the equivalent of riding club ponies. No, she's definitely not fine build like show ponies. Show hunter type I'd say then. Trying to attach a pic but tablet not playing ball.

I understand what you mean now then. When I saw riding ponies i thought it was like riding club. Shows how poo I am at all this!!!

Thanks x
 
This might help you decide, Redmone, if you scroll down the page in the link it gives a description of types etc!

http://www.theshowring.co.uk/showing.php

Id say Dolly is a candidate for show hunter rather than riding pony! They tend to have a far higher % of native blood, than riding ponies! I wouldnt join any societies until you've been and done a few shows, if you do qualify you usually have 21 days to join after the show.
 
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BSPS classes can be entered, not the major qualifiers though, without being a member, if you do qualify and want to go to the summer champs you then have 7 days to join, not really long enough if you do not have a height certificate.

As far as I understand you can do any classes you are eligible for so a hunter pony and show pony on the same day, also workers, not sure how big the pony is or age of the child but nursery stakes could be another option to consider. From what I have seen in photos Dolly is not fine enough for the riding pony classes but there is no reason not to have a go if you want to, there are often not many in the class and it is a chance to gain more experience in the ring.
 
That's really helpful jakkibag, thank you. Definitely show hunter then. I completely misunderstood the riding pony classes!!!

I'm thinking will join NPS or bsps in the next week and then just get height cert as soon as poss. Its something we should do anyway I suppose.

Thanks for your help! X
 
Hi be positive!

Pony is 12.2 daughter was 12 in Feb, so I think she's OK age and height wise.

She'd be fine for nursery working hunter and dolly is a cracking jumper, but can be very temperamental and strong so not consistent enough for anything of a decent level. Which is a shame. However practice makes perfect doesn't it.

I think you're right, hunter pony it is.

Really glad I asked!!! Thank you!! X
 
I'd enter the show, turn up and see how you do before joining anything or getting height certificates. The showing world are a very close knitted community and dont take kindly to newbies/amateurs. This is what I will be doing anyway, have first nps show on 18th may :) do you have a pic of dolly side on so we can look what she would fit into better? :)
 
Hi rachaelstar!

I was concerned though that if they were lucky enough to qualify for anything (I know theyd have to be really lucky!!!) That if the paperwork wasn't in order for height stuff or memberships they'd miss out and it'd be my fault.

I know what you mean about newbies etc...!! we've experienced a bit of that recently!!!

I can't get a photo on here from my tablet (will do tomorrrow from PC) but if you look at my previous threads there's loads.

Good luck with your shows! X
 
The major shows check your entries before you can even compete- I've just sent all mine off. You have to complete a hoys form- on this form it states you must be a member of a society and the pony must also be a member of a stud book or society. It's very expensive. I paid £37 per class x 2 classes. Then joined a society. Thankfully pony already in a stud book! But basically over £100 just for 2 classes in one show. Be prepared for hoys qualifiers to be big classes - worth getting them out to some really big shows so that they get used to waiting around in a lineup and maybe a lesson with a judge who can advise on tack and turnout as well as the best individual show? I have one at the start of each season so I can get in the know for what's what each year :)
 
shadowboy said:
The major shows check your entries before you can even compete- I've just sent all mine off. You have to complete a hoys form- on this form it states you must be a member of a society and the pony must also be a member of a stud book or society. It's very expensive. I paid £37 per class x 2 classes. Then joined a society. Thankfully pony already in a stud book! But basically over £100 just for 2 classes in one show. Be prepared for hoys qualifiers to be big classes - worth getting them out to some really big shows so that they get used to waiting around in a lineup and maybe a lesson with a judge who can advise on tack and turnout as well as the best individual show? I have one at the start of each season so I can get in the know for what's what each year :)
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Am starting to think this is really out of our league!

I haven't got a clue regarding the society or stud book thing. I very much doubt Dolly is a member of anything!

I don't mind sorting out membership to NPS or BSPS, and the height certificate (as those are things we were going to do anyway) but now a stud book etc.....I'm thinking we're batting a bit above our team here!

Daughter has a lesson every 2 weeks with a really good instructor/judge/competitor at big shows so I know she'd have her guidance as to tack and turnout, and individual show. She's fantastic.

Am having doubts now.....:(
 
A couple of photos to help decide what sort of classes to enter....

Funny, once you start looking, you realise you don't have many side on shots! lol!!!



This was in a jumping practice, hence the martingale (which is only used for jumping).



Xmas 2012 (so a relatively recent photo)



Don't know if this helps, but shows body condition



And probably no use at all, but one of my favourites!!!

Thanks for all your help.

xxx
 
The pony is sweet but not really of HOYS quality, which I think you are aware of, there is no need for her to be in a stud book, as long as she has a passport, she is of unknown breeding so cannot be registered as a "breed" and as a SHP or WHP it does not matter, just put unknown on any forms you have to fill in.

Search for a Star is a route for amateur combinations to get to HOYS, the one at Rugby 19th May is the nearest to you, missed the one yesterday in Blackburn, it may be worth a look on the site. www.search4astar.org.uk

Do not be put off having a go at the ordinary qualifiers for summer or winter champs, yes the pony will need to be turned out correctly as well as daughter but your instructor must feel it is worth a go and can guide you through, get that tail pulled and trimmed for a start:)
 
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