David Griffith BNP

Freedom of speech and all that. Don't much like him but what sort of country would we be living in if we don't have the chance to debate. I don't usually watch QT but I will be this evening.Everyone has a right to their opinions and ideas and why shouldn't he be given the same opportunity as the labour party and other political parties to spin their rubbish on TV
 
I think you mean Nick Griffin , yes his and other smaller parties should be heard, his party have some vile views and policys but also valid points to make that sadly the main partys are failing to tackle , and hence people are turning to the smaller parties...
 
I think question time will have the biggest audience it has ever had, so yes there is certainly curiosity about the party. Like em or not they are democratically allowed to have a voice.

A lot of people are concerned about immigration / islam issues in this country and rather than ridicule him its better to challenge him in open debate. It would be nice to have less hysteria around this group so we can actually hear if they have any real policies, which I doubt.

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Who? Oh Nick Griffin... Oh dear
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I think he should be allowed. If you ban/censor a legitimate party, they will simply have more ammunition to portray themselves as martyrs/victims/downtrodden by the current Govt. and so on.

If they have chosen the panel/audience well, Nick Griffin will be suitably questioned, his ridiculous views will be unveiled/mocked and the party will be damaged.

It could however go the other way, we shall see.
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Sorry!!! Nick Griffin.Personally find the man and his party abhorent but think he should be allowed to strut his stuff tonight then the general public can see for themselves just how abhorent he is.Diane Abbot (black) was interviewed by the BBC this am and did more to advance the cause of the BNP that Nick Griffin will ever do IMHO
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She was arroagant, said to the (white) interviewer that People Like You will never understand.Suposing the interviewer said that to her????She would be accused of rascism etc.She made much of black and Asian feelings (fair enough) but completely forgot about the Jews.They don't matter obviously and amongst other things Nick Griffin is a holocaust denyer (sp?).The gas chambers (according to him) were built after the second world war as part of a jewish conspiracy to rule the world!
 
Yes, getting his name right would help :P
Yes, he should be on. It's a rotten party with rotten ideas, but if it is legal and people can vote for it, you'll do no good by trying to gag them.
And I totally didn't buy Ken Livingstone's argument on the Today prog that the BBC should ban the BNP,because when they're on there's a spike in racial violence (surely the correlation would be very hard to prove?) but on the other hand, it was wrong to silence SinnFein (in the days of the 'spoken by an actor' reports) because we needed to engage with them.
SinnFein were the political wing of the IRA and the party was not legitimate in this country at the time, yet the BNP, loathe it as I do, is legal and collected nearly a million votes at the European elections!
It would be a very big mistake to drive these kinds of attitudes even further underground. They need to be engaged with, and discredited on an open platform.
 
Yes he should be allowed to speak on Question Time. The only danger is that support for him will increase.
What worries me is that there are a lot of people (me included to some extent) who are fed up with the lax immigration laws, false asylum seekers claiming benefits, black youths shooting and stabbing each other (yes I know there are plenty of white scum too), and foreigners trying to change our British culture because they don't like it.
None of the major political parties are able to stand up and say that they will deal with these problems so people are turning to the BNP as an alternative - often without really understanding what the BNP actually is. (I am thinking about my mother here who has been a Labour voter all her life but voted BNP at the last local elections!)

Hopefully this appearance on BNP will educate more folk about what they actually stand for.
 
I also think that if the main parties spoke out a bit more about these issues it would allay some peoples fears that there concerns are falling on deaf ears.

I also think that because we are in dire financial straights where we don't have enough people working to fund public services etc its always easy to blame the ' foreigners' and if people can't see the bigger picture that is another chance for them to increase votes.

If NG comes across as an out and out racist saying ridiculous things the party will suffer but if he's clever and appears more 'moderate' I think they will gain more votes.
 
Yes, it is worrying.
And people like me, who think this country is overcrowded, and when the lovely lefties lay into me about my racist or anti immigrationist tendencies, I am happy to say that in fact, I just feel the country is over full.
Some of my best friends are Polish and Romanian, they are hard working, moral, christian, family loving people, and I'd like them to stay please.
I would happily kick out some native born fat lazy lager louts, and anyone at all who pees in a shop door way to make room for them.
Oh and postmen. They can go.
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Yes, it is worrying.
And people like me, who think this country is overcrowded, and when the lovely lefties lay into me about my racist or anti immigrationist tendencies, I am happy to say that in fact, I just feel the country is over full.
Some of my best friends are Polish and Romanian, they are hard working, moral, christian, family loving people, and I'd like them to stay please.
I would happily kick out some native born fat lazy lager louts, and anyone at all who pees in a shop door way to make room for them.
Oh and postmen. They can go.
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I totaly agree
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but where would you send the posties and lager louts???
 
To me the BNP themselves represent censorship and limiting peoples freedom so for the BBC to let them on because they are worried about censorship seems ridiculous! To me they are a bunch of racists appealing to the masses when the economies weak and people are feeling disgruntled. It's far too easy to blame other sections of society but the truth is we are probably in this situation because the bankers got too greedy and lent too much to people who couldnt pay this money back, quite a lot of the people responsible for this situation are white males, not immigrant workers! I work in a predominantly white area and the amount of people on benefits is quite frankly shocking! Sorry but BNP= NO, NO, NO to me.
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I'm only hoping they make complete idoits of themselves tonight and make enough rope to hang themselves with.
 
Yes, it is worrying.
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This issue is becoming closer to home for me, I bought 7 acres in Hampshire for my horses a couple of years ago and I see there are 3000 houses scheduled to be built just up the road in the councils strategic plan. This will lead to virtually a new town when you consider the infrastructure needed to support this volume of development.

I realise not all this demand is from immigration but practically speaking where is everybody going to fit, we only have a finite amount of land. Also tensions arise when you put people on top of each other.
 
I think our ridiculous rates of teenage pregnancies dont help but tbh its everyones fault and everyones responsibilty to sort out the situation, this wont happen by marginalising or attacking or blaming certain sections of society. (Im not saying anyone on here has btw!)
 
So Postmen have to go too? A bit presumptuous arent you, Skewbald again? So as a PostWOMAN I can stay can I? Or can you send me somewhere nice like New Zealand please? Hahaha!
 
I don't like giving the BNP airtime, but it would not be right to stop them.
What is very sad in my opinion in that politics in this country has got to the point where a bunch of racist thugs are now able to call themselves a legitimate political party and people do vote for them.
I know they dress up a lot of their policies to try to appeal to more moderate voters, but at the end of the day they are nothing more than racists and people who vote for them are in my view racist by association.
 
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I know they dress up a lot of their policies to try to appeal to more moderate voters, but at the end of the day they are nothing more than racists and people who vote for them are in my view racist by association.

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Couldnt agree more.
 
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What is very sad in my opinion in that politics in this country has got to the point where a bunch of racist thugs are now able to call themselves a legitimate political party and people do vote for them.


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Aye, but it's not them that got us here, is it?
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What is very sad in my opinion in that politics in this country has got to the point where a bunch of racist thugs are now able to call themselves a legitimate political party and people do vote for them.


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Aye, but it's not them that got us here, is it?
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No its all the other buggers - but its still sad!
 
yeh, but 'all the other b*ggers' are on their high horses about the BNP, who lets face it, are a disproportionate and unpleasant reaction, but a reaction nevertheless, to their monumental mistakes!
 
I think at the moment the BNP are becoming a much more dangerous party. They're filling (for want of a better phrase) a niche market hole in politics at the moment for issues that aren't being dealt with. If you leave a weak area then the jackals will move in.
I don't rate Nick Griffin as a figurehead in the respect of being able to talk well, answer questions etc. but i was watching question time thinking thank god that they haven't got someone a lot slicker who is able to deal in a rational manner and bounce answers back. Griffin to me comes across as a bit of a buffoon when trying to answer questions. Slippery and evasive yes but if he had any charisma about him i think we'd def. be in danger.
I've heard many people in my small area chuntering on about BNP, it's quite alarming. I keep saying to people that maybe they should remember what all our servicemen in World War II losts their lives for. It was fighting against people with the same views as the BNP. Whilst i believe Britain needs to get tough against immigration i also believe it needs to sort out a lot more than foreign imports first.
 
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yeh, but 'all the other b*ggers' are on their high horses about the BNP, who lets face it, are a disproportionate and unpleasant reaction, but a reaction nevertheless, to their monumental mistakes!

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I'm very worried now - I'm kind of agreeing with what you're saying.
Just off to sing a verse of the red flag to calm myself down
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The BNP bans people of colour from joining. This is an illegal practice. Until it is stopped, no representatives of this vile organisation should be given credibility by treating them as if they are a legitimate political party.
 
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The BNP bans people of colour from joining. This is an illegal practice. Until it is stopped, no representatives of this vile organisation should be given credibility by treating them as if they are a legitimate political party.

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True, but that should be enforced by parliament or the judiciary, not the BBC.
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Mind you, they would argue, the Black Police Officers organisation bans white people from joining. Why is that OK? And they do kind of have a point.

I'm not defending them as a party, but that you can have a BlackPolice Officers Association but not a White Police Officers Association is somehow not quite right.
 
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The BNP bans people of colour from joining. This is an illegal practice. Until it is stopped, no representatives of this vile organisation should be given credibility by treating them as if they are a legitimate political party.

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True, but that should be enforced by parliament or the judiciary, not the BBC.
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Mind you, they would argue, the Black Police Officers organisation bans white people from joining. Why is that OK? And they do kind of have a point.

I'm not defending them as a party, but that you can have a BlackPolice Officers Association but not a White Police Officers Association is somehow not quite right.

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I agree. I'm probably going to get lynched for saying this but its like radio 1 have a black music station, but if white people had a 'white music' day or something, people would be up in arms saying they were racist.

I don't defend the BNP as a party or their racist ideas but I am quite intreeged by what NG has to say tonight
 
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And what about the MOBO awards ?

You can't pick and chose when to have a colour preference,

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I thnk your agreeing with me so yes, that's exactly what I mean.
 
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The BNP bans people of colour from joining. This is an illegal practice. Until it is stopped, no representatives of this vile organisation should be given credibility by treating them as if they are a legitimate political party.

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True, but that should be enforced by parliament or the judiciary, not the BBC.
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Mind you, they would argue, the Black Police Officers organisation bans white people from joining. Why is that OK? And they do kind of have a point.

I'm not defending them as a party, but that you can have a BlackPolice Officers Association but not a White Police Officers Association is somehow not quite right.

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On the surface what you're saying seems logical, but the big difference is that black police officers are a minority group trying to fit into an organisation where they have not been considered welcome until relatively recently (and in some areas probably still aren't welcome). They face issues which are often different to those faced by white officers, both within the force and in the communities where they work. That is why they have an association to help deal with these issues.
If we had true equality such an organisation would no longer be necessary and I hope that one day it isn't.
 
I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree it's OK.
With my rapidly sinking view of the human race, I can't see on what day the black police officers will say 'OK, we've outlived our usefulness, no need for us to scratch each others backs and give legs up anymore, huzzah, we'er equal, lets disband'
It's an abuse of power waiting to happen.
Far better to work to make policing inclusive by NOT having divisive sub organisations. That goes for everything else, too, I think.
 
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