David Griffith BNP

Once again I do agree with you. Its just not that simple to make it happen because unfortunately not everyone wants an inclusive society. I accept that this happens on both sides, its just that there is more of a negative impact on the group which are in the minority.

I suspect we'd both like to get to the same place, but have different views about how we get there.
 
A massive toughie.....Yes and no! He has the right ect ect and at the same time he does not.

Up until last year our area was BNP
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Didnt vote them in but I know some people that did....they was not whom you expected to be they were black and Asian. I got the impression that they want the government to hear them....Certainly not put them in!!!! Perhaps if enough people took heed the government would listen. (their track of thinking which I can understand!!)

So I will watch just to see what happens, pehaps better to discuss later?
 
Crikey, I'm really torn on this one. On the one hand, I find them truly disgusting, a sham of a political party, and one which any exposure seems to strengthen. On the other hand, hiding them away just gives them a martyr-complex and at least them being on something like QT means people can confront them openly.

I don't know.....watch and see I suppose.
 
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Crikey, I'm really torn on this one. On the one hand, I find them truly disgusting, a sham of a political party, and one which any exposure seems to strengthen. On the other hand, hiding them away just gives them a martyr-complex and at least them being on something like QT means people can confront them openly.

I don't know.....watch and see I suppose.

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yes true we will just have to watch, now they have been in power for 12 years so some people were stupid enough to vote for them and there damaging policys ... oops sorry you mean the bnp ???
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I did raise an eyebrow when the Lab MP on PM said, they should not be allowed to air their views as their party had put a lot of people in fear and danger.
 
Do you mean Nick Griffin?
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What makes me laugh SO much is that these protesters are promoting democracy, free speech and equality for all but yet only people they agree with can speak their minds. Double standards if ever I saw some!

At the end of the day, people in THIS country voted for the BNP to be in power - we then have to accept this result and go with it. They're not overly strong at the moment AND they're Euro MPs, not UK ones.
 
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The BNP bans people of colour from joining. This is an illegal practice. Until it is stopped, no representatives of this vile organisation should be given credibility by treating them as if they are a legitimate political party.

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THe black policeman's association is still running though and stops white people joining. - until the practice of every creed and colour discriminating against each other is stopped, the BNP are then as entitled to their views as the black policeman's association is. You can't stop one without stopping the other IMHO.
 
So glad someone brought this up. I am glad NG is being given airtime. As they're s so called legitimate party they should have as much right as others to have a platform on shows like this.

As others say, with any luck people will learn more about what the BNP actually stands for and the reality of their racist views and realise they in fact are more damaging to the country.

As mentioned about the Black Police Officers Org - how are they allowed to not allow white people? In liverpool (uni) there was a Black Lawyers Assoc. If you set up a 'White' equivalent they'd be hell to pay!! Double standards me thinks!

I hold my hands up and say I know very little when it comes to politics but I think the BBC and those who criticise NG going on should credit the British public with some intelligence to make their own decisions about these things. They need to stop nannying us and trying to 'hide' these people. Let US make our own decisions.
 
and lets hope they let him speak, rather than as dh has just suggested, booing hissing and shouting him down, which will just play right into his hands.
I am slightly wondering how everyone can be so dim as to build up this frenzy, but of course, it's obvious, it's going to do the BBC viewing figures no harm at all!
 
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I think our ridiculous rates of teenage pregnancies dont help but tbh its everyones fault and everyones responsibilty to sort out the situation, this wont happen by marginalising or attacking or blaming certain sections of society.

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Agree with this and Fox00 in general. People tend to forget that the difference between immigrants and emigrants really isn't that significant -- yes there are immigrants, but their numbers almost equal (almost....) Brits who have left the UK to work abroad.

So, I really think it's unfair to blame a certain category of people for 'overcrowding' the country.
 
No, but it stands to reason you can only get so many people on this tiny island.
Those who were born here, logically, regardless of race or colour, should obviously be able to expect to live here, should they so choose, for the rest of their lives, without being crowded into a small corner!
So checking immigration and encouraging emigration would be good.
Oh and like I said, kicking out a few hundred thousand lager louts and binge drinkers
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well, sorry, there are a lot of big countries out there. France for example is massive, America has plenty of space.
We're so densley populated, it's not healthy!
 
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well, sorry, there are a lot of big countries out there. France for example is massive, America has plenty of space.
We're so densley populated, it's not healthy!

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Except the French wouldn't allow it - neither would Australia, another rather large country!
And here lies the problem, none of the major political parties will dare to stand up and say they will deal with this so people are turning to the BNP.
Let's hope Nick Griffin is exposed for what he is and he doesn't generate more support tonight.
 
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well, sorry, there are a lot of big countries out there. France for example is massive, America has plenty of space.
We're so densley populated, it's not healthy!

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Except the French wouldn't allow it - neither would Australia, another rather large country!
And here lies the problem, none of the major political parties will dare to stand up and say they will deal with this so people are turning to the BNP.
Let's hope Nick Griffin is exposed for what he is and he doesn't generate more support tonight.

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Exactly!

And lets hope it wakes the big parties up and they realise people are concerned about some issues - they're not nasty racist thugs, themselves, but if only a nasty racist thug addresses the issues that concern them, eventually they will vote for the nasty racist thug.
 
I thought I had posted earlier but I can't find it - just to say that a lot of the people protesting outside BBC centres in Northern Ireland were the same who said how awful it was that Sinn Fein weren't allowed to talk on British television in the 1980s.

Ho hum.....
 
It won't happen (people will naturally be curious to see how Mr Griffin will do) but perhaps the easiest way to show him what people think of his policies (or lack of them) would be to boycott the programme. Dismal viewing figures would surely deter the BBC in the future!
 
Should do quite well at reminding certain people to vote if they don't want extremist parties to get into power. Worked with my OH anyway, who actually got around to voting at the last european election, unlike the previous two.

Radio 4 this am was drawing parallels with Jean-Marie le Pen, leader of the Front National (French BNP equivalent). When he made it to the second round of the presidential election, all the people who had not bothered to vote in the first round suddenly decided that they should vote in the second round, and he got a tiny fraction of the vote. Hopefully the added publicity will help people decide to exercise their right to vote, hopefully for parties other than the BNP!
 
Sadly, he's going to be able to claim that he is being mobbed and bullied, even by the chair, which does not happen on regular editions of QT.
Which is feeding his followers just what they need.
He could hang himself with his own rope, they are giving him a stool to stand on.
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I don't understand this logic of we must always allow "Freedom of Speech" so therefore we must allow anyone to say anything whenever they want and incite others to follow them?

By this logic it would be perfectly acceptable for the Murder is Ok Party or the Paedophilia Party to be on Question time? But of course it isn't because our Society's values stop it and they should also stop the BNP from broadcasting their racist views.

I only hope as Wishful says that it will remind us that we need to get out and vote to stop vile parties such as the BNP.
 
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Sadly, he's going to be able to claim that he is being mobbed and bullied, even by the chair, which does not happen on regular editions of QT.
Which is feeding his followers just what they need.
He could hang himself with his own rope, they are giving him a stool to stand on.
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Which is what Andrew Neil and co have just said ....
 
I love how he said he wasn't a "nazi" and a "racist" and then wholly criticised Islam...

OP - He should be allowed, as everyone is entitled to put their point across. It's peoples perogative if they want to listen to him, and believe enough in him to vote.

I shan't be. But then I don't think I'll be voting for anyone else as so far I don't believe any of the parties are fit enough to run the country.
 
I think he may get more sympathy than people on this forum think, tbh. In my office today they are saying he didn't get a fair crack of the whip with everyone ganging up on him, anyone who stops extremists standing on British streets calling for the beheading of British Troops gets their vote. Also that its same old same old with the other parties, quick to sl@g off the bloke but offer nothing in terms of what they would do, actually do rather than say, they have had years to make change and have done nothing.

And someone else asked if anyone else noticed that when the muslim lady was asked by DN if she approved of civil partnerships she originally said no, so the most intolerant religion wants tolerance.

An interesting debate and I'm not sure he's blown out the water just yet and a lot of poeple who feel let down by existing politicians may just give their vote.
 
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ta. I'm interested in it, abhor the party but want to see how they will come across.

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I think he came across badly, IMO. It's obviously one thing to stand up in front of your own party, who fully support you and are whipped up into a frenzy, but something else to go on national television and justify yourself. He looked uncomfortable, couldn't substantiate any of his "facts" ("a poll, somewhere, in a newspaper, the other week, can't remember which one and can't remember which poll"), and made himself look like the small minded bigot he really is.

To answer the OP, yes I think the BBC were right to put him on. The BNP polled the same % of votes in the European elections as the Green Party, yet Caroline Lucas has been on TV plenty of times. There are people out there who believe in him so they have a right to be represented.

I also think that the only way to expose him and his party for what they really are is to engage in real, honest dialogue in a public forum. However, the main parties need to realise that people will continue to vote for parties like the BNP if they don't start to acknowledge what is wrong in the UK and make some changes.
 
I agree he was nervous and unclear but we only have to look at this forum to see how quickly / badly some people react under pressure.

Don't forget these top politicians will have had the advantage of years of media training, public speaking etc in more genteel surroundings than I would assume someone from a rabble rousing northern mens drinking club.

Although if it is to be believed some BNP supporters are Doctors and professionals which is quite incredible really. Educated people
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I agree he was nervous and unclear but we only have to look at this forum to see how quickly / badly some people react under pressure.

Don't forget these top politicians will have had the advantage of years of media training, public speaking etc in more genteel surroundings than I would assume someone from a rabble rousing northern mens drinking club.

Although if it is to be believed some BNP supporters are Doctors and professionals which is quite incredible really. Educated people
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But this man has a law degree. That in itself suggests that he should be articulate and able to deal with what was, in fact, a small audience bar the cameras, which he will be used to anyway.

I think he showed his true colours in the end with that rant about homosexuality.
 
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