David Griffith BNP

Not necessarily, you don't have to prove articulation skills before being accepted on a course and I don't know if he's ever practiced tbh.

You see you heard a ' rant about homosexuality' and others heard him not want it taught in schools to five year olds. Its one of those things when you put the slant you want on it.

I don't support the guy or his views but taking away the hysteria I wish he was given an opportunity to really speak cos then I think there would have been more chance for people to understand how awful he is.
 
I think the fact he was on QT last night was a good thing, primarily because everybodys talking politics this morning & therefore taking more interest in our politicians - so hopefully EVERYBODY will vote at the next election!!

I personally would not vote BNP, they are extremists, but I can see why they get votes. They are tackling issues in GB - issues that other politicians are too scared to tackle. Immigration being one issue that certainly gets to me. Having travelled all over the world, on a regular basis, our border control (or lack of it) never fails to amaze me!! IMHO GB has become too politically correct, scared of offending anyone of any race or sexual persuasion. We are seen as the land of 'free money' where anyone can get benefits & NHS treatment. Something has to be done to stop the decline of Great Britain.

Just a little side note re: homosexuality comments....

I had a great night out in Canal Street in Manchester with a group of work colleagues - some gay, some straight & after trawling round the pubs, we went to go into a club. Us 'straight' ones were refused entry because we weren't gay!!! I just wonder if the boot was on the other foot.....
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If he was a more eloquent speaker there would be real problems for the other parties.His views are held by alot of people (believe it or not) and if things dont change in the UK they will continue to gain more seats in both local and euro elections. It would be interesting to see the audience reaction if the programme was set in Burnley, for instance, and not in front of a group of carefully picked people. Oh and re the homosexuality issue, I did not want my son taught about it at primary school either.
 
Yes it was all very staged wasn't if from a hostile audience to a hostile presenter, it may all work in his favour cos we've had years of no hope politicians and lets face it most people don't talk poshly.

Him not being an eloquent speaker won't bother people, in fact it may have the opposite effect in that people think' he's one of us'. Much more accessible than some ' duck house, drawbridge over the moat toff.
 
I think that the BBC probably helped people to realise what an idiot the man is......talk about giving someone the rope to hang themselves!
 
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I think the fact he was on QT last night was a good thing, primarily because everybodys talking politics this morning & therefore taking more interest in our politicians - so hopefully EVERYBODY will vote at the next election!!

I personally would not vote BNP, they are extremists, but I can see why they get votes. They are tackling issues in GB - issues that other politicians are too scared to tackle. Immigration being one issue that certainly gets to me. Having travelled all over the world, on a regular basis, our border control (or lack of it) never fails to amaze me!! IMHO GB has become too politically correct, scared of offending anyone of any race or sexual persuasion. We are seen as the land of 'free money' where anyone can get benefits & NHS treatment. Something has to be done to stop the decline of Great Britain.

Just a little side note re: homosexuality comments....

I had a great night out in Canal Street in Manchester with a group of work colleagues - some gay, some straight & after trawling round the pubs, we went to go into a club. Us 'straight' ones were refused entry because we weren't gay!!! I just wonder if the boot was on the other foot.....
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I also think that the only way to expose him and his party for what they really are is to engage in real, honest dialogue in a public forum. However, the main parties need to realise that people will continue to vote for parties like the BNP if they don't start to acknowledge what is wrong in the UK and make some changes.

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You have hit the nail on the head there!!!!
The government do need to sit up and listen to why people are voting BNP ( I believe that most people that vote bnp are not trying to get them seats they want to shake up the top 3) . The Baroness made a valid point regarding this.

There are so much divides in our society now we even have a new class the "I make benefits my career class" why beacause its easy. The multi race/religion rows in schools need to stop being so blinking pc and simply imbrace them all! Let our children for a change be children and not teach them regarding sexuality but embrace the fact of single, or same sex families, do we have to teach them at 5 and 6 about things that will confuse them enough when they get older...

Sorry ranting on my soapbox now I am getting down....It just makes me so cross why all these issues have to be issues will we ever see the day that we truly have a United Kingdom that embraces every thing....Sorry gone to my cloudcuckoo land again.....
 
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I think the fact he was on QT last night was a good thing, primarily because everybodys talking politics this morning & therefore taking more interest in our politicians - so hopefully EVERYBODY will vote at the next election!!

I personally would not vote BNP, they are extremists, but I can see why they get votes. They are tackling issues in GB - issues that other politicians are too scared to tackle. Immigration being one issue that certainly gets to me. Having travelled all over the world, on a regular basis, our border control (or lack of it) never fails to amaze me!! IMHO GB has become too politically correct, scared of offending anyone of any race or sexual persuasion. We are seen as the land of 'free money' where anyone can get benefits & NHS treatment. Something has to be done to stop the decline of Great Britain.

Just a little side note re: homosexuality comments....

I had a great night out in Canal Street in Manchester with a group of work colleagues - some gay, some straight & after trawling round the pubs, we went to go into a club. Us 'straight' ones were refused entry because we weren't gay!!! I just wonder if the boot was on the other foot.....
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Exactly, well said.

He was honest, he said two blokes kissing gave him the creeps, do you not think some uber camp gay person could come on and say the opposite? Of course they could. And it would be OK.

He's a slimy git and he was trying to avoid telling the truth, which qualifies him nicely as a politician, and the muslim lady who was in the shadow cabinet was almost as evasive as he was!
Why? because she dare NOT openly say that obviously Islam would oppose civil partnerships, which of course it would!

And Jack Straw who came out of it looking like such A Good Bloke, and toadying up to the minorities all over the place, is part of the government which has led us into this almighty mess, where people are afraid to admit to an opinion which even slightly diverges from the official line, however totally reasonable it might have been considered until this bunch of nutters got in!

I thought they'd made a rod for their own back the minute Dimbleby started attacking him, and right enough, their spokesperson was on R4 this morning saying 'it was nothing like Question Time' and the trouble is, he is right. Nobody except Dimbleby even looked at him, they just gazed straight forward and read their attacks from their crib sheets! The black writer to his left, who I thought was otherwise brilliant, sat with her back to him. If they didnt' want to engage, they shouldn't have been on, they made it all look like a kind of kangaroo court, and that can legitimately be used against them

We need to have confidence in ourselves, left to their own common sense and judgement, people will not vote for such a party. But if the the government and the bbc keep pushing people around, they might, just out of anger and frustration.


Disclaimer: I have decided I will no longer engage with anyone who uses the expression 'spewing bile and vitriol' or its like, because it is onomatapoeic, really and anyone who says it, is doing it.
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Maybe I'm idealistic but I actually don't understand the "race row". I genuinely believe that the UK should accept anyone who can contribute to society; people who come with qualifications and/or a trade, who *want* to work, and who pay taxes. I have more of a problem with "white British" people who were born here and refuse to get a job, live their lives on benefits while people like me support them through my taxes. I know they have a right to be here as they were born here, but if they're not going to work (no one jump on me saying some people have valid reasons for not working, I know that, and those aren't the people I am talking about now) then IMHO they have no right to claim benefits or healthcare. We need to learn to accept anyone who can bring something to society, whether they are doctors, nurses, builders, scientists, teachers...people who come here to work, pay taxes. IMHO those people are not a "drain on society" as they pay for themselves. *rant over*

The BNP would just look to find someone to blame instead of sorting out why the country is in the mess it is in. Expelling everyone who can't trace their roots back to cavemen who lived here in the ice age (which is what he was suggesting!) won't cure our problems!

I also agree with the poster who said the programme was just an attack on NG. It shouldn't have been an out and out way to shout him down. He should have been allowed to put his POV over and then discuss it sensibly with the other politicians, who were just starting to turn in to screaming fishwives by the end of it. It was badly organised and I expected more sense from the presenter, but instead he let it just descend into bickering.

The only person I felt came out of it well was Chris Hulme, the Lib Dem MP. I felt he was measured, balanced and put his points across succinctly (and I'm not a LB fan). Bonnie Greer, was as ever, full of her own self importance and condescending. Jack Straw, well, I have even less respect for the man now than I did before. He was just reading "facts" from a prompt sheet!

I think we need to see more of the BNP on TV but it needs to be proper, reasoned political debate. Give the man enough rope and he will hang himself...
 
I didn't think Jack Straw came out as a good bloke, I thought he came out of it looking like he was completely blinkered concerning immigration problem. This is a tiny Island and resources here are already stretched. It is time to 'raise the drawbridge' to people who do not genuinely need asylum. Pick the papers up, read the information about people who are not deported because they have a cat, or lose their passports, the complete failure of deporting criminals simply holding them for a while costing you and me a fortune every day.
 
I am right in thinking Jack Straw himself came acropper in his own constituency when he asked a muslim woman to remove her veil before he could speak to her ??

Only when it suits eh jack.
 
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I have more of a problem with "white British" people who were born here and refuse to get a job, live their lives on benefits while people like me support them through my taxes. I know they have a right to be here as they were born here, but if they're not going to work (no one jump on me saying some people have valid reasons for not working, I know that, and those aren't the people I am talking about now) then IMHO they have no right to claim benefits or healthcare. We need to learn to accept anyone who can bring something to society, whether they are doctors, nurses, builders, scientists, teachers...people who come here to work, pay taxes. IMHO those people are not a "drain on society" as they pay for themselves.

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Couldnt agree more!
 
Chestnut Cob,

I don't think the race row is about genuine immigrants who come here offering a good level of contribution to the nation, but its about the likes of (& I need to be careful what I say here) erm...Leeds, for example...where there are whole communities of Muslims, living like foreigners in a foreign land & unaccepting of the British way of life. Where benefits are not only paying for the original immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker - but paying for their entire families to come & live here courtesy of the great british taxpayer! No other country in the world would allow this!

I am not in any way, shape or form a racist person but I live by common sense attitude........we are a small island, we can't chuck our own no-hopers out, but why let other countries ones in..???!!
 
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Chestnut Cob,

I don't think the race row is about genuine immigrants who come here offering a good level of contribution to the nation, but its about the likes of (& I need to be careful what I say here) erm...Leeds, for example...where there are whole communities of Muslims, living like foreigners in a foreign land & unaccepting of the British way of life. Where benefits are not only paying for the original immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker - but paying for their entire families to come & live here courtesy of the great british taxpayer! No other country in the world would allow this!

I am not in any way, shape or form a racist person but I live by common sense attitude........we are a small island, we can't chuck our own no-hopers out, but why let other countries ones in..???!!

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No, it isn't when you talk to any normal, balanced person however, when the BNP get involved, they start saying things like the UK should be 99.9% white and that anyone who isn't white shouldn't be here.

I agree that we do need better border control but not through the BNP's suggested means. The biggest problem, as I see it, is actually uncontrolled immigration from the EU.
 
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Chestnut Cob,

I don't think the race row is about genuine immigrants who come here offering a good level of contribution to the nation, but its about the likes of (& I need to be careful what I say here) erm...Leeds, for example...where there are whole communities of Muslims, living like foreigners in a foreign land & unaccepting of the British way of life. Where benefits are not only paying for the original immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker - but paying for their entire families to come & live here courtesy of the great british taxpayer! No other country in the world would allow this!

I am not in any way, shape or form a racist person but I live by common sense attitude........we are a small island, we can't chuck our own no-hopers out, but why let other countries ones in..???!!

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No, it isn't when you talk to any normal, balanced person however, when the BNP get involved, they start saying things like the UK should be 99.9% white and that anyone who isn't white shouldn't be here.

I agree that we do need better border control but not through the BNP's suggested means. The biggest problem, as I see it, is actually uncontrolled immigration from the EU.

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I agree with both of these views. We do have a problem here in the UK with immigration that needs to be addressed. Talking in terms of Black and White in relation to people is just wrong and NG has come accross as racist in ever speaking in these terms. However people are now actually voting for the BNP because they are addressing an issue that the others arent in the immigration.
Its clear that many British taxpayers are frustrated with what people get away with in this country in terms of claiming benefits, using NHS and moving over here and these need to be addressed.
But I do believe for a country to be fruitful that we need many different skill sets and inputs and that requires people to come from all over, however we should not have the great big Welcome all sign we seem to have hanging on our door as we now have a problem in that British culture is not what it was 5 or 10 years ago and that people moving over here should be able to recognise our culture and want to embrace it and contribute to it rather than change it to suit them as seems to happen when communites are formed of different races/religions etc and all of a sudden you wouldnt realise you are in Britain.

A collegue of mine made a good point which ties in with the above remark about the immigration problem lying in the EU. He stated that we are an island effectively and therefore we have a large natural barrier being the sea, therefore we already have a natural form of border control. Therefore it should theoretically be reasonably easy to control who crosses our borders, as anyone who enters does so by a controlled means - so why arent we taking advantage of this?
 
There is SO much sense in what you are all saying on this forum - I only wish the poilticians from the three major parties would read this!
And have the balls to do something about the issues raised!
 
Also, the population is currently ageing, so if you just effectively closed the borders for a bit (I don't mean to genuine refugees, of course) I know this sound horrible but eventually, the numbers would drop a bit
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And then you could re look at it, or maybe the birthrate would go up and it would self correct? They just seem to be looking the otherway with their fingers in their ears going la la la! I agree, that's why people vote BNP not because they are racists.
 
Agree with several of the last comments. The BNP are gathering speed, gathering voters and i don't believe that Griffin has made himself look that bad by going on QT. I've heard an alarming number of people around me today commenting that they might consider voting BNP! That the BNP's policies are sound.
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The thing i will give to the BNP is that they're starting to read emotions and learning how to play the general public of Britain. It's a very worrying thing. They're starting to say the right thing. They know that if they mention Britain, immigration, banks, greedy MP's etc that Joe Average is going to start taking note.
Joe Average doesn't seem to have the brain power to work out the small print on the BNP's contract because they're being told what they want to hear and they feel finally someone is looking after them.
 
The BNP says a few things that I agree with, and a lot of stuff that makes no sense whatsoever. E.g. indigenous white British people are oppressed, and army generals are war crimimals (latter obviously determined to alienate people who were on the verge of voting for him).

The groups protesting outside the BBC and those who try to keep him off air must be on the BNP payroll as they only boost his support!
 
An odious sly horrible man, Jack Straw not Griffiths.While I have no time for Griffith,s politics, I thought his comment about how their respective fathers spent the second world war revealing.
 
TBH you can always over analyse anyone's comments and put a different slant on things to meet your own ends so I don't have much interest in articles like this.

All I would say is that the authorities are obviously very scared of him, I have never known one person Vilified so strongly in the press and I bet they wouldn't need to do that if they really thought he would not attract so much interest.

People may not like or agree with his sentiments but one thing I can't knock him for is he's open and clearly happy to be unpopular for spouting what he thinks, unlike the current rabble we have in. He seems to have some really ridiculous views but he reminds me of someone having the same views as the older generation ie he's not the only bloke I know who thinks two blokes kissing is creepy or that sex shouldn't be taught in primary schools.

I think the biggest mistake I keep hearing is ' we are proud to be a multi-cultural society' but like my neighbour says, whoever asked us ?
 
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Spoke to my Grandfather about this earlier-knew he would be shouting at the TV
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He said he was glad it's nearly time,he saw this once before and doesnt want to see it again.
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The BNP need to be allowed to speak,pushing them underground wont do any good but letting them speak(actully speak,not badger them into mumbling wrecks like QT did) will show what they really are.

We have a stupidly high teen pregnancy rate so we have to do something.
Now no-one would agree with teaching what goes where from 5 years old,but I really dont object to laying the foundations to "real" sex ed at secondary.
Before I get shouted at for wanting to corrupt the last years of childhood,we are talking where babies come from.
How many of you saw puppies/kittens/lambs/calves born and asked how? Or asked your parents how your sibling got in mummy's tummy?
THAT is sex ed.The answer given will have reflected your age at the time.

Time and time again we hear on here that "country kids just get birth and death better" great,so lets find out why and help the city children who are most likely to feel there is no way out of their shite life except to have a baby while still a child themself break the cycle.
Free uni would be a good idea...since we are pushing everyone to go anyway
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he reminds me of someone having the same views as the older generation ie he's not the only bloke I know who thinks two blokes kissing is creepy or that sex shouldn't be taught in primary schools.



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I must be one of the 'older generation'! I find the thought of two gay blokes kissing very creepy, and I wouldn't want my primary aged children taught about homosexuality.

I also read this on bbcbias.co.uk which I have to agree with:

....and hardly anyone dares mention the thing that really scares people. It’s not really Poles, eastern Europeans, Chinese, Indians, or black immigrants that are worrying indigenous whitey ...

It’s the immigrants who don’t like us; who “see us - but don’t wanna be us” that we could do without. That’s why Nick Griffin is where he is.
 
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Thats what I've been hearing a lot lately, we talk in terms of immigration and racism under a ' banner' heading but ime a lot of anger / mistrust / dislike is directed at Muslims. I have a friend who is Hindu who is absolutely fed up being made to feel uncomfortable because she is mistaken for a muslim.

People have no problems at all with Hindu's, Sikhs, Jews etc who all live amongst us amicably and peacefully. If NG really became an anti-muslim party I think he would be sky rocketed to No 10.
 
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