Bearsmum
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i just feel sick
Dead horse at Aintree today
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Ambers Echo
Still wittering on
I could be wrong as I have not studied data but my impression is eventing is better than this. I cannot believe any event rider would carry on after a near-fall like that and riders regularly retire horses who don't feel quite right. And ground judges pull up tired combinations. I don't like racing for a number of reasons and I dislike hunting even more. Occasionally I feel like perhaps my views are ill informed and those in the know could educate me. But then they rush to defend the indefensible and I realise that I am not interested in what they have to say. Maybe if those who love racing were willing to condemn more and justufy horrible abuse less I'd be more open minded.
Ambers Echo
Still wittering on
This! The leap from describing condemning whipping a seriously injured horse to the line after he went down with his back end as 'hysterical' to oh well lets all quit riding then is just indicative of the total refusal to even consider horse welfare as a serious topic for discussion in many part of the horse world.
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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Comparing it to other sports that have their own respective ill's is a waste of time, two wrongs do not make a right, neither does a lesser wrong.
I have said it on another thread historically and I'll say it here - I would support the abolishment of the use of all animals in any sports where the motivator is financial gain.
I have said it on another thread historically and I'll say it here - I would support the abolishment of the use of all animals in any sports where the motivator is financial gain.
bonny
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So no more horse riding presumably unless it’s a cheap horse just used for hacking?
Spotherisk
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I was watching the racing this afternoon and saw this race. The horse landed oddly and moved off differently to how it had been moving before the jump. I thought at the time that the jockey must be feeling the difference in movement - I could see that you might think for a couple of strides that the horse was perhaps running disunited and would sort itself out within a few strides, but it was an ugly picture to see the horse running to the finish whilst obviously somehow wrong behind.
I used to know when my horse was just slightly off (historic mild lameness) in walk, but have no idea if I would have picked that up at a higher gait. However, it is inconceivable that the jockey didn’t know there was something seriously wrong - even if that had been the first time he’d sat on the horse and therefore didn’t know it very well the change in movement was massive. Imo there needs to be a precedent for a horse found to have an injury at the finish line (not nicks and scratches, but life threatening, or life limiting, or long term box rest etc) to not receive a placing or prize money. That wouldn’t have saved this life, but it might have reduced the pain.
I used to know when my horse was just slightly off (historic mild lameness) in walk, but have no idea if I would have picked that up at a higher gait. However, it is inconceivable that the jockey didn’t know there was something seriously wrong - even if that had been the first time he’d sat on the horse and therefore didn’t know it very well the change in movement was massive. Imo there needs to be a precedent for a horse found to have an injury at the finish line (not nicks and scratches, but life threatening, or life limiting, or long term box rest etc) to not receive a placing or prize money. That wouldn’t have saved this life, but it might have reduced the pain.
Mrs Jingle
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Your idea might well have made the jockey more miraculously aware he was riding a seriously injured horse and pull him up PDQ if he knew the race would be lost even if he did whip it on and over the finsih line. How dreadful though that we need to even consider having rules like that to ensure professional riders recognise (or publicly admit really) when their horse is crippled and no longer fit to carry on. Shameful industry.
tristars
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To me that is a fall, its a splat, if that happened to a horse i was working with i would immediately immobilize it to evaluate if it had injured itself
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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Ride all you like, compete all you like, I just don't think there should be prize money - and if sports die as a result, then it was never for the love of the animal or the sport in the first place
tristars
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The value of a racehorse is only what it may win or breed
The value of a hack is immeasurable joy it may give to its rider
scats
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I feel embarrassed that I used to watch the national.
A horse half-falling should be pulled up. They should not be allowed to carry on and jockeys should be punished for doing so.
The same rules should apply with any horse sport. A partial fall or a slipped back end to that extent should be instantly pulled up and not allowed to continue.
Adrenaline can mask a multitude of things.
A horse half-falling should be pulled up. They should not be allowed to carry on and jockeys should be punished for doing so.
The same rules should apply with any horse sport. A partial fall or a slipped back end to that extent should be instantly pulled up and not allowed to continue.
Adrenaline can mask a multitude of things.
scats
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The problem is the when money is at stake, people often feel pressured to continue. If that horse had been at the back of the field, would the jockey have carried on? I highly doubt it.
Clodagh
Rage, rage, against the dying of the light.
I follow a lot of racing SM posts and I can say that only Bonny and a very few deranged punters think there was nothing wrong in what that poor horse went through today.
The vast majority are absolutely appalled and outraged about it. I love racing, it is what I spend most of my time and all of my money doing, and what happened today was awful. The reactions, apart from the very few idiots, are in no way typical of your average racing person’s viewpoint.
The vast majority are absolutely appalled and outraged about it. I love racing, it is what I spend most of my time and all of my money doing, and what happened today was awful. The reactions, apart from the very few idiots, are in no way typical of your average racing person’s viewpoint.
KikiDee
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They should but they frequently don’t. Personally I think if the rider doesn’t choose to do so, the Ground Jury should pull a horse up after any serious fall but if the rider stays put they’re allowed to continue. This was just the first example I found with a 10 second search, this horse was galloped away as soon as it got back on its feet without so much as a few strides of trot to check it was ok.
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Crazy_cat_lady
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Is that who I think it is? Said person has had several threads about their controversial actions on here before
daffy44
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Yes, it's who you think it is.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Yes very telling its so impossible to defend
Think it makes it even worse it was a broken back, a tendon or shoulder while awful, doesnt sound as painful as a broken back. Plus the fact he whipped him a few times, its utterly indefensible
Crazy_cat_lady
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scats
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I remember watching that and being horrified that said person didn’t pull up, or get pulled up.
Clodagh
Rage, rage, against the dying of the light.
I broke my hand once out hunting, it was in pieces, and the only reason I knew something was wrong was I couldn’t pull the reins. When I looked down I thought my glove had gone a funny shape. It hadn’t, it was my bones. But I didn’t feel a thing until I had pulled the horse up and got off.
So really doubt the poor horse was feeling pain. That is the only positive from the whole thing, to me.
Crazy_cat_lady
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I think what makes it come across even worse, is the jockey was so experienced, ive always thought he was one of the more "horseman" types, theres others I view less favourably. Plus hes highly experienced
This narrative from sources within racing id say are not doing them any favours, it feels like a PR exercise, covering bottoms, as can you imagine if they came out and said yep he should have pulled up and potentially exacerbated the injury to an already injured horse.
This narrative from sources within racing id say are not doing them any favours, it feels like a PR exercise, covering bottoms, as can you imagine if they came out and said yep he should have pulled up and potentially exacerbated the injury to an already injured horse.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
I can see any number of posts on the racing publication pages berating the ‘armchair vets’ who saw that the horse was lame after the splat and should have been pulled up, and these people have a lot of likes, too.
KikiDee
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Yes although I chopped off their name as it wasn’t meant to be about them personally but that there need to be higher standards enforced and more rider accountability across all competitive sports. Not in defence of racing in the slightest either.
Smitty
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I totally agree (although I suspect you are being facetious)
holeymoley
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Crazy_cat_lady
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Why are they only looking at the front and rear shots during the post race review? It sounds like just because he ran straight, all is fine and hes finishing how a 3 mile chaser should
Why wasn't the side on also considered?
Why wasn't the side on also considered?
Crazy_cat_lady
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NDB was quick to pull up Sir Gino when he broke his pelvis after a hurdle (albeit mid race)
Billy Loughnane recently got a ban for riding a withdrawn horse back to the enclosures
Yet apparently the riding of GD was deemed completely acceptable and normal?
Billy Loughnane recently got a ban for riding a withdrawn horse back to the enclosures
Yet apparently the riding of GD was deemed completely acceptable and normal?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Because they are trying to protect the racing industry which employs them.
This stinks. But far too many people saw what really happened and it isn’t what they say.
This stinks. But far too many people saw what really happened and it isn’t what they say.
bonny
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I bet you you can’t find anyone, even us deranged punters who think there was nothing wrong with what Gold Dancer went through. No one has said that and I’ve seen a lot of comments about the race. It’s awful for the horse, his connections, the public who witnessed it, everyone.
Please stop saying things about me that just aren’t true, if you don’t agree with something I say then argue your case but without the personal comments.
teapot
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Think it was argued on here at the time but Nico potentially could have pulled up quicker...