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just curious really to what others think. two people on our yard are vegetarians and one is a vegan, they express their views about meat quite alot but what i cant understand is they are quite happy to buy and use leather tack/boots etc

now as i can understand the veggie using leather but the vegaan??
what do you all think??
 
I think that if either a veggie or a vegan uses leather productuts then they are not a veggie/vegan and are full of shite about their lifestyle.
Winds them up a treat when you start saying 'look at your leather saddle.... you're NOT a vegetarian' :p
 
Super_Kat said:
I think that if either a veggie or a vegan uses leather productuts then they are not a veggie/vegan and are full of shite about their lifestyle.
Winds them up a treat when you start saying 'look at your leather saddle.... you're NOT a vegetarian' :p
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Seconded! There are loads of synthetic products out there. They have no real excuse.
If they say "I don't kill animals for food" then remind them of how many cows were killed for their saddle/bridle/boots! At least food is a life essential.
 
Oooo don't get me started on this one! My very Ex partner was a veggie - sanctimonious git.

Always banging on about people eating dead cow, dead pig blah blah blah.

Yet he ate dead fish (but of course that was different you understand?) and wore dead cows on his feet and to hold his jeans up, and had a lovely dead cow coat.

Oh and also, he wouldn't allow people to smoke in his house - but went to their houses and scrounged fags off them..........grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Rant Over, thanks :D
 
Next time they start on ask them why it is wrong to eat dead cow but not to take a dead cow skin it and use its skin to sit on.

The cow still ends up dead for the sole reason that humans want to use bits of its body. Makes no odds to the poor dead cow which bit of its body you want to use.

A vegan using leather is even worse - do they seriously think that ethically it is ok to kill an animal for its skin but not to use milk or eggs???

Stupid people! I'm neither veggie or vegan but these people really wind me up with their lack of consistency. It isn't like there aren't decent alternatives to leather tack these days if you have ethical concerns.

I'd just bug the hell out of them every time they mention being veggie or vegan by questioning them about why eating the animal is wrong but using its skin isn't. They will soon remember not to come preaching at you - or they will change their practices.
 
Fairytale said:
Always banging on about people eating dead cow, dead pig blah blah blah.

Yet he ate dead fish (but of course that was different you understand?) and wore dead cows on his feet and to hold his jeans up, and had a lovely dead cow coat.
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Yes we know exactly what the difference is, the fish aren't fluffy and cute like the little lambkins so it is fine to fish them into extinction :mad:

I eat meat but not fish, mainly for reasons of taste but I do also have issues about the ethics of fishing too, with over fishing etc. People seem to think it is weird to avoid fish but fine to be a veggie that eats fish, and chicken, oh and sausages :mad: :mad:
 
a vegan is meant to be against using any products from animals which means the meat, dairy or eggs, fur, leather, wool, cosmetics (tested on animals) etc etc so if they are a true vegan then they would not use leather tack or boots.

so if they are harping on about being a vegan yet have leather tack then you can actually have a lot of fun pulling them up on it! :D
 
i had a vegan colleague once who told me about her eating habits etc, she wore leather shoes and loved cake (made with eggs!)

She ate lots of cake!

left me very puzzled.

 
I don't eat meat but I eat fish and use leather products. However, my reasons for not eating meat are not because I think it is wrong, it is because I think it is too mass produced, mass transported and far too cheap! Also it is bad for your health. Fish on the other hand are wild, not transported and good for your health. I still use leather because it is a bi product of the meat industry. If we didn't use the leather we would still mass produce the meat, but not the other way around. I do not understand vegans using leather though unless they are vegan for health reasons and not moral reasons.

I also hate people preaching about others eating meat. To me it is up to the individual and their conscience. I stopped eating meat because I felt upset and guilty every time I saw a lorry load of livestock. Now I still feel upset, but not guilty and I am therefore a slightly happier person. I gave up meat for my own selfish reasons to make me feel better. And I do.

But what I hate even more than people preaching about not eating meat, is all the people who make all kinds of excuses as to why they still eat meat as soon as they find out that I don't! I couldn't care less what they do, and don't judge them for eating meat. It's up to them, but they somehow always want to justify it. Or those that harp on about why we SHOULD eat meat. I always think it is a guilty conscience talking. Those who are comfortable eating meat don't harp on about it or get annoyed by vegetarians. They just get on and eat it.
 
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I don't get annoyed by vegetarians if they keep it to themselves and don't preach.

The ones who get preachy and then turn out to be totally hypocritical really drive me bonkers.

If someone decides not to eat meat because they don't like it fine. Just don't go round saying I'm veggie, meat is murder etc etc but I eat this that and the other. I have seriously spoken to someone who claimed to be veggie but ate fish, chicken, sausages and bacon - in what way is that veggie??? :confused:

Likewise don't claim a food allergy to cover up being a faddy eater :mad:
 
A friend of ours once declared that you shouldn't eat meat unless you're prepared to go out & catch/kill it yourself! Ridiculous idiot.
I eat meat - I eat it because I like it and I don't feel guilty, we're top of the food chain! Then again I would never eat horse meat no matter how good it tasted and maybe if I owned a pet cow I would feel differently who knows!?!
I don't eat lamb in any form as I think it's fatty and I don't eat pork as I'm not keen but will eat ham/bacon etc.
Personal preference.
The above mentioned friend's wife is vegetarian and to be honest I got sick of them banging on about how you shouldn't eat meat and making my hubby uncomfortable (he's a bit funny with his food you see) so I did have to say that I thought it was ludicrous that she didn't eat meat as she thought it was cruel but was happy to wear the leather - tho the leather is a by product it's still been through live transport etc.
Another friend of mine used to be vegetarian when we were at school and refered to herself as a 'pisco-vegetarian' (pesco vegetarian I think she meant) - I used to affectionately refer to her as a piss-take vegetarian!!!! :D She took it all in good fun and when she met her spanish husband started eating meat again and is now a bigger meat eater than the rest of us put together!!!!! :)
 
I don't eat meat, I don't preach about it and I cook my husband meat.

The only thing that I will insist on is free range meat in my house, but would never preach to a family on a low income for buying value meats.

I do eat fish, but mainly as I was very ill when I first became a veggie (ish) but I don't eat chicken. sausages etc. Most of my diet is quorn if I'm honest.

I do use leather tack, mainly for the comfort of my horse and synthetic isn't great. I kind of see it as once it's dead I can forget about it, but couldn't go as far as sticking it in my mouth. I also don't see the difference between horses farmed for meat and cows (dons tin hat!). However I am a bit fluffy and wouldn't take my own to slaughter, they get pts at home.

So I think basically being veggie or part veggie is fine as long as you aren't preaching a load of rubbish and you leave others to it.
 
each to their own i guess. I don't really see how the 'Vegan' can be a Vegan if they are using animal products though?

I eat meat but I will only eat organic, free range, well farmed meat. I do like to have days off meat too from a health perspective more than anything...i don't preach about my eating habits though and can't understand why anyone thinks that they have the right to?!?!
 
I'm a vegetarian on moral grounds, but I still use leather tack. I wouldn't choose to use it, but as my mum was paying and we were advised against buying synthetic, I had no choice.

I would rather people don't eat meat, but I don't preach to them about it.
 
so seems to be quite common then. it just really puzzled me how they claim killing animals for meat is cruel etc etc but still quite happy to spend hundreds on english leather tack :confused::confused:
 
I don't understand how veggies are veggies if they don't eat meat on the grounds that they think it's cruel.

How do they think milk is producded? Cows need babies to produce milk to make cheese etc so if someone is a veggie on the grounds on how the animal is kept, then i think they should be a vegan. Dairy calves are often sold very cheaply to the Eu as the Brits dont eat a lot of veal.

I make every effort to purchace free range meat (pork in particular- try to avoid EU pork) so I feel I am buying meat from 'happier' animals, but we tend to forget that animals which produce by-products are often put under more strain that meat animals.
 
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