Decent cremello stallion

Right OP asked about competition. Any of these horses besides Gwen's doing something in sport?

Gwen is carving out an eventing career for her lad. Another one in Ireland is Crown's Ace Of Pearl. You can google him as I am on my phone. Saw him a couple of weeks ago. He's only 5 and really just started his jumping career and did very well in dressage last year too.

So there are 2 going on more than color. Gwen is a fantastic person who trys very hard to do right be her stallions and clients. Jo whoniwns the other lad seems very nice too and is also trying to have mire than color.

It's funny because every post on here is just about cremello stallions, nothing on what they've done. One of the criteria.

Terri
 
Equilibrium Ireland said:
Right OP asked about competition. Any of these horses besides Gwen's doing something in sport?

Gwen is carving out an eventing career for her lad. Another one in Ireland is Crown's Ace Of Pearl. You can google him as I am on my phone. Saw him a couple of weeks ago. He's only 5 and really just started his jumping career and did very well in dressage last year too.

So there are 2 going on more than color. Gwen is a fantastic person who trys very hard to do right be her stallions and clients. Jo whoniwns the other lad seems very nice too and is also trying to have mire than color.

It's funny because every post on here is just about cremello stallions, nothing on what they've done. One of the criteria.

Terri
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One of the reasons for my comment & also my thoughts on some of the stud fees being charged. The stud fee cant be justified by colour alone, the horse used as a breeding stallion should not be on colour alone. What is the point in raising the bar for others if one can stand on colour alone?
 
There was a lovely Czech Warmblood called Vangelis at Colourthyme stud some time ago. Lovely shape over a jump and moved really well (though the video of him jumping on his grading have now been pulled from the Colourthyme website).

http://www.colourthyme-stud.com/referencestallions.htm

He was then sold to Ireland to show jump and I was sort of waiting to see what he'd do before using him. He was then sold on again and off my radar. Don't know what he's up to or whether he came to anything in the end (must be about 8-9 years old now).

Perhaps Irish peeps might be able to enlighten me?
 
omen62 said:
So why just not geld him? He must of been difficult at other times as well surely?
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My thoughts exactly. I'd be interested in the details if anyone has any. I know there's not much point really now, but I was told he was a lovely easy horse... Shows you can't always take interested parties at their word & there is no substitute for meeting the boys in person before using them :(
 
omen62 said:
So why just not geld him? He must of been difficult at other times as well surely?
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Or perhaps there was another issue? Why on earth would you cull a horse just because it was difficult when covering mares. Surely what the owners are saying is it had no value as a gelding. I have known racehorses cut because of temperment issues when covering mares, they had no problems adjusting to life as a gelding. No I think there was more to it, either that or they did not give a fig for the horse.
 
I was told he was too dangerous and they did not want to risk anyones life if he would be sold on. I think that was very thoughtful. Some would have sold him and not told the whole story and some person could have been seriously injured.
 
This is the link to his SJAI records:

http://www.sjai.org/Registrations/W...lResultsPublicView.aspx?av=9601809&h=7a7ad9f6

92 points accumulated in 6 months. All double clears at 1.10m - 1.30m. Really impressive, I knew I liked him! Even as a baby, having done next to nothing under saddle you could see quality. And he had never competed before he went to Ireland.

Amy_b, I was given the email address of the person who bought him from Colourthyme and exported him to Ireland by the HHO forum member you are refering to. Under his ownership, he did so very well showjumping - but note the dates of competitions Nov08 to April09 = outside the breeding season, then nothing.

I emailed the man in question in Feb 2010, as I was thinking about the forthcoming breeding season, and he replied that he had sold Vangelis to the Drumhowan Stud and that he would be standing at stud for 2010, but not AI, natural only, which was an issue for me as I am in England. At the time, he was listed on the Drumhowan Stud's list of available stallions & I thought I'd wait until they did AI with him... Never thought the next time I'd hear about him would be to learn he had been put down.

I'm a bit upset & not sure what to think about the dangerous behaviour. Perhaps someone has more specific details?
 
flyingcolors said:
I was told he was too dangerous and they did not want to risk anyones life if he would be sold on. I think that was very thoughtful. Some would have sold him and not told the whole story and some person could have been seriously injured.
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So are you saying his owners gave him a chance as a gelding & he was still too dangerous to handle?
 
His owner thought that he was too dangerous and he was put down. I did not say anything about gelding. They thought it would be a crime to sell him to somebody and risk that buyers life, which is totally understandable. Since they had him for some time, I think two years, they would know best if he was dangerous or not to be handled and they are horse people not someone that does not know their stuff. It is very easy, just pick up the phone and ask the former owners personally.
 
flyingcolors said:
His owner thought that he was too dangerous and he was put down. I did not say anything about gelding. They thought it would be a crime to sell him to somebody and risk that buyers life, which is totally understandable. Since they had him for some time, I think two years, they would know best if he was dangerous or not to be handled and they are horse people not someone that does not know their stuff. It is very easy, just pick up the phone and ask the former owners personally.
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Your right, but as you put the comment "Originally Posted by flyingcolors
I was told he was so dangerous in handling at breeding time that they had to put him down." I have to assume you know the situation & you must admit it does sound odd. You have a horse who is doing well show jumping but because he is dangerous "in handling at breeding time" they have him destroyed rather then cut him & see if that has an effect. I am probably barking up the wrong tree, but I think there is more to it then him just being difficult when covering. Therefore it is highly unlikely that a straight answer or the truth would be given. And some would argue that it is none of our business the horse is not here, dont have any offspring by him, so what does it matter.
 
I have no idea of his sport credentials but horses can change in mind and some changer terribly when breeding. I know of two stallions that were fine when competing but the moment they went breeding they got totally dangerous.

As I said best is to ask the owner personally. I only got this information when discussing other things and I trust in these people and their judgement.
 
Im not saying I wouldnt give it a try if he were mine but you have to admit by the time he was at least 8 years old, if he was gelded at that time chances are it wouldnt have cured the problem, whatever it was.
I think we have to give his owners credit -whatever thier reasons- for taking responisibilty rather than selling him on. that could be one less person in a wheelchair, or worse.
 
amy_b said:
Im not saying I wouldnt give it a try if he were mine but you have to admit by the time he was at least 8 years old, if he was gelded at that time chances are it wouldnt have cured the problem, whatever it was.
I think we have to give his owners credit -whatever thier reasons- for taking responisibilty rather than selling him on. that could be one less person in a wheelchair, or worse.
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The comment was "dangerous at breeding time" giving the assumption he was fine the rest of the time. I would have thought therefore if the horse had a value then having him gelded would be the first course of action. As a gelding there would have been less need for him to come into contact with in seaon mares. Anyway its irrelavant he is dead, they can give any reason they like as to why they had him PTS.
 
I contemplated using him when he was at Colourthyme - but only AI - but was told there was a problem with his semen and the extender and that they were trying different extenders and would contact me when one was found which they could use successfully(perhaps why he could only be offered natural?) - in any event, time progressed and I heard nothing further and he slipped off my radar.

Sorry to hear that there was no other solution than for him to be pts, but it seems to have been done for the best reasons.
 
He was PTS after an injury - nothing to do with his temper. Let some lovely stock on the ground too... shame to loose such a good stallion. :(
 
Very sad to hear I have 2 Beautiful Palo's by him that I believe are going to do very well are so calm and loving and there only 3... Gutted this horse has gone mine are going to be the end of a very good line I believe :-(
 
the watcher said:
don't think anyone else has mentioned him - By Design http://www.hillbrookstud.com/index.php?p=1_7 who is currently standing at Equine Reproduction, there are several pictures of his foals on this site too.
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I've met him at Equine Reproduction. He was very smart looking and enjoyed a fuss, I didn't see him move though.

I also like Mcjonnas, but have not seen him in the flesh, same with Magician.

Yes I have a soft spot for cremellos!
 
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