Deer hunting is banned yes?

[Hercules]

Burnsall, I am no expert on deer. In fact I have never been stag hunting. However, it isn't too difficult to understand that many people like Tom only tolerate deer on their land because of hunting. The fact that the law may prevent this in the future means that he will no longer tolerate the deer on his land.

He and many others like him will therefore shoot,or allow shooters onto their land to kill the deer. The same logic applies to foxes. Simple really.

You were warned.

 

[Burnsall]

We have from no less an authority than your good self, Hercules two distinct facts: due to the actions of Tom and other like-minded hunt enthusiasts the deer on Exmoor will soon become extinct; secondly, they will kill the deer out of spite.

My view is this: why not just shoot the extra number of deer that would have been killed by hunts? There may be a change of Government in a couple of years time. Why wipe out the deer out of spite when the ban may fairly soon be reversed?

 

[wurzel]

"The question you, Tom, Giles & co have to answer is this: pre-ban only 15% of deer culled on Exmoor were killed by hunts."

I don't like to call people thick so I won't. Yet.

I will say it again. The deer culled on my farm pre "ban" were killed almost exclusively by hunting with dogs.

You live hundreds of miles away but you know better than me what happens on my own farm?

"Just because you can't hunt this small number of deer post-ban (let's leave aside for a moment the apparent "loopholes) why is it necessary to kill the ENTIRE population of deer?"

Oh, I won't be killing them all townie !!

Unlike you, I like the deer. I will kill what I think I need to. I guess everyone else will as well.

Now this could result in what in a few years time?

A population of 3,000 or a population of 800 ?

Or a population of 50 ?

Who knows. Take your pick.

I know what I think.

"Deer expert Hercules says in the post above that due to the actions of people like Tom "the existence of deer on Exmoor is likely to be very shortlived". I can't understand the logic of this. "

I take it back. You are thick. If we shoot most of the deer the deer die out. Its logical.

 

[wurzel]

"We have from no less an authority than your good self, Hercules two distinct facts: due to the actions of Tom and other like-minded hunt enthusiasts the deer on Exmoor will soon become extinct; secondly, they will kill the deer out of spite."

Its true, they may become extinct. As I said before townie, nothing to do with spite. They eat my grass.


"My view is this: why not just shoot the extra number of deer that would have been killed by hunts? There may be a change of Government in a couple of years time. Why wipe out the deer out of spite when the ban may fairly soon be reversed?"

How are we to know who is shooting what? We don't generally discuss how many animals we have killed in the pub. The weekenders get upset.

Change of government? We can only pray !!!

I think it may be too late for the deer.

 

[Burnsall]

If the option of simply shooting the deer (without subjecting them to the cruelty of being chased for hours) will definitely or probably (depending on which moaning hunter is speaking here) lead to their extinction why hasn't this already happened? 85% of culled deer pre-ban were simply shot. If it's as difficult as you suggest to keep a tally of how many deer have been culled and shoot a number commensurate with conserving their population as well as their health why wasn't the doomsday scenario you describe reached many years ago?

The answer, of course, is that it's perfectly possible to shoot the deer on Exmoor without chasing them while at the same time preserving a robust and healthy herd. It's been going on for years. If you Tom and your pals wish to engage in irresponsible and (to adapt Hercules' word) spiteful culling of deer there's not a lot we can do about it, but the consequences will weigh on YOUR conscience, not ours.

 

[Hercules]

Burnsall,

Your lack of real understanding and your refusal to acknowledge reality is astounding. Why don't you join a 'Dungeons and Dragons' type forum? - it will be something more commensurate with your life of fantasy.

My conscience is totally clear. After all, what I am doing in shooting and trapping foxes is what you and the government want.

 

[wurzel]

"If the option of simply shooting the deer (without subjecting them to the cruelty of being chased for hours) will definitely or probably (depending on which moaning hunter is speaking here) lead to their extinction why hasn't this already happened? 85% of culled deer pre-ban were simply shot. "

Shall we try another language ? I speak Arabic and Danish as well. Who shot these deer ?

For the last 150 years we have hunted them on our farm.


"If it's as difficult as you suggest to keep a tally of how many deer have been culled and shoot a number commensurate with conserving their population as well as their health why wasn't the doomsday scenario you describe reached many years ago?"

Ok. You don't believe me. Would you believe the Exmoor National Park Authority ?


"The answer, of course, is that it's perfectly possible to shoot the deer on Exmoor without chasing them while at the same time preserving a robust and healthy herd. It's been going on for years."

Has it ? By whom ?

Have you ever been shooting deer on Exmoor?

Have you ever been hunting on Exmoor ?

Have you ever been to Exmoor ?


"If you Tom and your pals wish to engage in irresponsible and (to adapt Hercules' word) spiteful culling of deer there's not a lot we can do about it, but the consequences will weigh on YOUR conscience, not ours. "


No, there is nothing you can do.

Why do you think it will be on my conscience ?

My priority is my farm. It is a business not a zoo.

 

[Burnsall]

Many congratulations on your polyglot skills but I'm afraid the form of staghunting you favour is animal abuse in any language.

 

[wurzel]

There are nine questions for you in my last post.

Why not try answering them?

I think destroying the Exmoor Deer herd is animal abuse.

 

[wurzel]

Just nine questions.

See how you go !!!

Don't be scared.

Calm your fingers of fury !!!!!

 

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[wurzel]

Try the questions.

 

[emmajanerushton]

why dont you get in touch with BASC or a proper deer management agency rather than just picking them off, do it in a controlled correct manner, im sure the deer advsior at BASC would be happy to assist you

 

[wurzel]

"why dont you get in touch with BASC or a proper deer management agency rather than just picking them off, do it in a controlled correct manner, im sure the deer advsior at BASC would be happy to assist you "

I think picking them off one by one is very controlled.