Defination of ish

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i've got a skewbald 15.1 bum high supposedly ish on lwvtb was told lightly backed but appears not she won't take less than 900 for her says she's irish horse registered but not seen passport yet obviously need to before pay anything she said got her from london at 9mth old but didn't recieve all paperwork so sire and dam unknown looking at pics she looks more cob x ib she is a bit overweight but defo not got tb face i've got quite attached to her but is she worth 900 opinions please i'd upload a pic but ccan't figure out how x
 
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i've got a skewbald 15.1 bum high supposedly ish on lwvtb was told lightly backed but appears not she won't take less than 900 for her says she's irish horse registered but not seen passport yet obviously need to before pay anything she said got her from london at 9mth old but didn't recieve all paperwork so sire and dam unknown looking at pics she looks more cob x ib she is a bit overweight but defo not got tb face i've got quite attached to her but is she worth 900 opinions please i'd upload a pic but ccan't figure out how x
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I think what you really need to think about is whether she does the job for you and whether you are prepared to pay £900 for her. It's not really a lot of money to pay for a horse that meets your requirements. However you do need to check her passport before you hand over money, ISH or not.
 
ISH can be anything, but must have recorded sire and dam on the paperwork. If it came from Ireland it will have a green passport if fully registered as an ISH. There are also blue and white passports, but these will be breeding not recorded.
 
She cannot be a registered ISH if sire and dam are unknown, they should be DNA tested and microchipped when registered for a full ISH passport. Your horse is of unknown breeding so her value is whatever someone is willing to pay.
 
If dam and sire are unknown she cannot be registered ISH i have an ID x TBx that is registered ISH they have to have proven breeding
 
they have to have all their breeding recorded... you can follow my ISH's breeding right back i have only gone back 22 sires because im too lazy to go further back its all on the irish sports horse website foal books too :) he has a green passport but we paid £2600 for him as an unbroken 3 year old in 2005 so god knows what a horse of his breeding would be worth now but he is worth about 20p now :o but i would say that she may be irish but she wont be a registered ISH.. hope that explains a bit to you :)
 
ISH is a nice mongrel really.

Originally IDxTB, but can cover anything with a tad of irish parentage nowadays. There are 3 types of passport - green where parentage and lines are known, blue, with some irish and other mixes/unknowns in, and white (I think) where they're basically anything registered in Ireland.

If she doesn't have any of these, then really she is just irish sport type.

I would be inclined to have a 2 stage vetting - the vet may guess what she is.. It would be reassuring to know her eyes/ legs/heart etc were ok..

£900 is not a bad price for a reasonable youngster really.
 
Thank's all will get to see passport tomoz at last been informed it's white with black writing registered with horse sport ireland and she's given me a number that she's registered with the irish horse register does this make her worth more than say an unbacked cob i could pick up for say £500
 
I've just found a site called capalloir and entered her name on there she come up i'm guessing they only come up if are entered in irish sport horse studbook or irish draught studbook looking good x
 
Sounds like this horse is one of unknown breeding that was born in Ireland. Not an irish sports horse or anything close to it.

Some people might consider any Irish bred to be worth more...personally I think its madness that an Irish bred unknown breeding horse would be worth more just because of the Irish connection. If they were backed and hunted here then fair enough but just pulled out of a field and shipped over...madness.

A true Irish sports horse is registered on the studbook, DNA checked, microchiped and comes with a green passport. They may be a mix of a number of different breeds as its moved on from the plain IDxTB cross, but all parentage is through registered parents and graded stallions.

Having irish sports horse in the breed area of the passport means little unless its green...or in some cases blue with partially registration of the lines for whatever reason..

I have seen a skewbald 13.2hh trotter cross pony with ISH in the breed part of his passport.....unless its green or blue its just another unknown breeding horse.
 
ISH, its a stud book same way as KWPN is. White passport means NO parentage recorded so its rather irrelevant quoting ISH as a sales lead. Look at what the mare is and how she stands and look at sites like horse mart, or even project horses to get an idea of value.
 
If the horse is worth it then it's worth it

If it was £3k registered horse that you plan to show in specific breed classes then it's a bit different

I'd look beyond the 'breed' in your case
 
ish ISH = Irish Sport Horse. These were, up til about 10 years ago mainly TB and ID in varying percentages, with the possibility of connemara being part of the mix.
Nowadays, with many warmbloods standing in Ireland, any progeny from a mare that is registered with the IHB (irish horse board) and put to a stallion allowed by the IHB can be registered with the IHB as a ISH.
So you now get horses which are 7/8ths or more warmblood registered as ISH.
White p/port- no recorded breeding, blue p/port - breeding recorded, green p/port - breeding recorded and produce of approved stallion and mare.
Many well-bred horses have white p/ports just because the breeder couldnt be bothered to register (requiring DNA test) them as foals.
I Think Cappallloir is the latest name for the IHB, theyv made a lot of changes in the approval and registration system this year.
But whatever the breeding, a good horse is a good horse- and theres many rubbish well-bred ones...
 
i've look at various pics nearest i can come up with is cob x id but she's very out of proportion she's not been worked been wasted in field i'm a sucker for seeing potential in anything and alot of people are warning me away of paying 900 by time sent away for breaking and the work she needs x
 
seems to be anything that has anything vaguely irish in its history - doesnt even have to be born in ireland according to some dodgy breeders :rolleyes: - from LW's to cobs! really over used term

but - i have an "ISH" according to her Blue passport from Irish Horse Board - but "breeding unknown".... so goodness knows whats happening there!
 
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