Hovis_and_SidsMum
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As the title says really. What in your view is the definition of a "green" horse?
Define a "green" horse for me please
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scotsmare
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Something with little schooling / life experience that needs brought on.
M_G
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one that hasn't done much of anything
Damnation
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Needs more education.
It doesn't need to be an "all over" green horse either, it can be green in certain areas, like a horse that has done dressage all its life will have little experience of jumping and will therefore be green if you see what I mean?
Izzi
It doesn't need to be an "all over" green horse either, it can be green in certain areas, like a horse that has done dressage all its life will have little experience of jumping and will therefore be green if you see what I mean?
Izzi
Bossanova
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A horse with a genuine and willing attitude but not much knowledge or understanding of life
Hovis_and_SidsMum
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Ok. so heres two horses:
hovis - 6 years old, schooled to a point - will leg yield (although not for me!!), rein back, turn on the forehand, sustain all three paces but not yet able to extend or collect his paces. Has done show jumping, some cross country and a tiny bit of basic dressage. Not to a high level at any of the above. will hack in groups or alone.
Omar - 10 years old. Schooled slightly more than above but you have to know where his buttons are. Never jumped although if you set him up properly will jump. Never seen a XC jump. Can do dressage but never competed. Hacks in company but not alone. For 3 years never went off his own yard.
So both green? Neither? one green but other not?
hovis - 6 years old, schooled to a point - will leg yield (although not for me!!), rein back, turn on the forehand, sustain all three paces but not yet able to extend or collect his paces. Has done show jumping, some cross country and a tiny bit of basic dressage. Not to a high level at any of the above. will hack in groups or alone.
Omar - 10 years old. Schooled slightly more than above but you have to know where his buttons are. Never jumped although if you set him up properly will jump. Never seen a XC jump. Can do dressage but never competed. Hacks in company but not alone. For 3 years never went off his own yard.
So both green? Neither? one green but other not?
Cyberchick
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I wouldn't class either of them as green.
blackmagic
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Hovis sounds exactly like my horse, except that shes rising 8, and I always say shes a bit green because I think people expect more from an 8 yr old.
But I wouldn't say its green for a 6 yr old.
But I wouldn't say its green for a 6 yr old.
Lusitana
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Learning goes at a different speed with different horses.
Also, since the skeleton is not "done" before the age of six, it is not wise to do anything beyond very basic (as described, basic gaits and some yielding) before that anyway.
I know people are competing with 3 and 4 years old nowadays, but it is not wise and certainly not to be expected in a normal schooling pace.
Anyway, your horses are not green. You can say they had basic schooling or are at training level.
And it is an advatage, really. I personally rather have a mature horse that needs to be brought on, than a horse that has competed at a young age and is spoiled...
If you are selling and advertise, you can describe them just like you did here.
Also, since the skeleton is not "done" before the age of six, it is not wise to do anything beyond very basic (as described, basic gaits and some yielding) before that anyway.
I know people are competing with 3 and 4 years old nowadays, but it is not wise and certainly not to be expected in a normal schooling pace.
Anyway, your horses are not green. You can say they had basic schooling or are at training level.
And it is an advatage, really. I personally rather have a mature horse that needs to be brought on, than a horse that has competed at a young age and is spoiled...
If you are selling and advertise, you can describe them just like you did here.
Hippona
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My rising 5 highland is green....he understands basic aids, WTC are ok but unbalanced...no outline at present and I'm not asking him yet as I dont think he's physically capable of it.
He can hack out alone or in company....done very little jumping over small x-poles...
Ok with traffic, never been to any shows....first in-hand in a few weeks...
I am taking it steady with him...he's low mileage, very trainable and great natured and I want to gently show him the sights and get him used to hacking about.
My opinion....the schooling will come later when he's a bit more mature, I'm just happy he hacks out, has brakes and a soft mouth....
He can hack out alone or in company....done very little jumping over small x-poles...
Ok with traffic, never been to any shows....first in-hand in a few weeks...
I am taking it steady with him...he's low mileage, very trainable and great natured and I want to gently show him the sights and get him used to hacking about.
My opinion....the schooling will come later when he's a bit more mature, I'm just happy he hacks out, has brakes and a soft mouth....
Theresa_F
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A horse can be both green and experienced.
Farra - very experienced hacker - calm, steady, goes anywhere.
Schooling - basics established, needs a lot more balance, has started a few small jumps, never competed - hence she is green - more to learn and experience.
Chancer - Hacking - exerienced but green on the road - not done much roadwork and only very quiet roads.
Schooling - experienced on all the basics but more to learn - would be called green on more advanced stuff.
Jumping - very green, just starting out, never competed.
Competing - showing and dressage - experienced novice, more to learn. Judge says still young and slightly green.
Age does not come into it - I have ridden a very green 10 year old - she had been a broodmare until 8 and did not really start doing anything until 9. At 10 she was far more green at schooling than Chancer was at 4.
Farra - very experienced hacker - calm, steady, goes anywhere.
Schooling - basics established, needs a lot more balance, has started a few small jumps, never competed - hence she is green - more to learn and experience.
Chancer - Hacking - exerienced but green on the road - not done much roadwork and only very quiet roads.
Schooling - experienced on all the basics but more to learn - would be called green on more advanced stuff.
Jumping - very green, just starting out, never competed.
Competing - showing and dressage - experienced novice, more to learn. Judge says still young and slightly green.
Age does not come into it - I have ridden a very green 10 year old - she had been a broodmare until 8 and did not really start doing anything until 9. At 10 she was far more green at schooling than Chancer was at 4.
dexterpat
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My mare would be described as following
Green mare turned 4 last week
capable of understanding upwards and downwards transitions - not yet working in an outline in the school - hacking out in company - novice ride very sensible just needs bringing on.
Green mare turned 4 last week
capable of understanding upwards and downwards transitions - not yet working in an outline in the school - hacking out in company - novice ride very sensible just needs bringing on.
MagicMelon
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A horse with a genuine and willing attitude but not much knowledge or understanding of life
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Same. I just think they're inexperienced. They have the basics in place but now need to get out into the world a bit.
A horse with a genuine and willing attitude but not much knowledge or understanding of life
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Same. I just think they're inexperienced. They have the basics in place but now need to get out into the world a bit.
tabithakat64
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As a ten year old I would have described Fudge as green
He was/is a fantastic hack in company, ok to hack alone, virtually bombproof with a confident rider, great to to long rein and handle.
He was unschooled, could walk, trot and canter but was unbalanced because he was on the forehand, would have a stab at school movements and throw his toys out of the pram if you wanted any lateral movements.
(Now I would say he's very well schooled although his canter needs more work).
He's green to jump but will pop a couple of jumps in the school or a log or ditch out hacking. But hasn't jumped a whole SJ or XC course.
He's only done in-hand showing and a sponsored ride so also green as he lacks experience in the competition arena.
I wouldn't say either of yours were green although Omar lacks competition and jumping experience.
He was/is a fantastic hack in company, ok to hack alone, virtually bombproof with a confident rider, great to to long rein and handle.
He was unschooled, could walk, trot and canter but was unbalanced because he was on the forehand, would have a stab at school movements and throw his toys out of the pram if you wanted any lateral movements.
(Now I would say he's very well schooled although his canter needs more work).
He's green to jump but will pop a couple of jumps in the school or a log or ditch out hacking. But hasn't jumped a whole SJ or XC course.
He's only done in-hand showing and a sponsored ride so also green as he lacks experience in the competition arena.
I wouldn't say either of yours were green although Omar lacks competition and jumping experience.