DEFRA Minister on Staffies

Yes! Yes! Yes! :D:D:D Finally someone speaking sense! I would be very upset if Staffies were put on the banned list, they are such a fabulous and loving family dog - in the right hands of course. And, for what it's worth, the nastiest dogs I've seen recently have been JRTs!
 
More importantly I thought this was hoping/living in hope that this was about "reducing the numbers" and secondly I think the "perfectly harmless" should maybe have been followed by "in the right hands".
 
Mince Pie said:
And, for what it's worth, the nastiest dogs I've seen recently have been JRTs!
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You want to meet mine, soft as grease :)

There was a talk on Radio 2 about Staffs bout 1pm ish, some n*b head was saying how the breed should be banned because people clearly aren't responding to being educated, and another phoned in and said that they were born to kill and rip to shreds not just bite and let go like other dogs - made me so cross!

It's not the breed it's the upbringing, same as JRTs, same as any breed.

Glad to see they're finally getting something positive, they're a smashing breed
 
echodomino said:
You want to meet mine, soft as grease :)

There was a talk on Radio 2 about Staffs bout 1pm ish, some n*b head was saying how the breed should be banned because people clearly aren't responding to being educated, and another phoned in and said that they were born to kill and rip to shreds not just bite and let go like other dogs - made me so cross!

It's not the breed it's the upbringing, same as JRTs, same as any breed.

Glad to see they're finally getting something positive, they're a smashing breed
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You know me....Im not one to argue:p:D but I think the radio nob has a point, clearly they are being ott and could have phrased things alot better;) like..... "indeed they can cause alot more damage than the average dog when they do attack when in the wrong hands and for safety sake then we need to re think the ownership of certain breeds" or "they can cause immense damage in such a short space of time when not properly socialised esp towards other animals or when out of control compared to other breeds, for instance... sure westi's, yorki's and j.r,t's can be little feckers:rolleyes: but they cannot cause the same damage and just don't insight the same fear to people as other breeds"


Certainly we need more education, but imo there are certain breeds that fill me with dread when in the wrong hands compared to others, obviously I would like to see these idiots with none!

Just another POV:)
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CAYLA said:
You know me....Im not one to argue:p:D but I think the radio nob has a point, clearly they are being ott and could have phrased things alot better;) like..... "indeed they can cause alot more damage than the average dog when they do attack when in the wrong hands and for safety sake then we need to re think the ownership of certain breeds" or "they can cause immense damage in such a short space of time when not properly socialised esp towards other animals or when out of control compared to other breeds, for instance... sure westi's, yorki's and j.r,t's can be little feckers:rolleyes: but they cannot cause the same damage and just don't insight the same fear to people as other breeds"


Certainly we need more education, but imo there are certain breeds that fill me with dread when in the wrong hands compared to others, obviously I would like to see these idiots with none!

Just another POV:)
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Well yea I suppose, given they're powerful little fellas, but I don't agree with how he said it. It's still down to the owner/handler than the dog IMO :)

Other breeds don't insight the same fear because they don't have the same bad press. It's like Rotties, Shepherds and Dobies, nothing wrong with the breeds but you still get it
 
I'm not too sure how to put this in the correct words but don't you think that there have been many breeds over the years that have been highlighted as dangerous?

For example, when I was growing up it was Alsations (I only use that word to wind up the GSD mafia on here :p) that had an exceptionally bad name due to a frenzied media splash about one or two attacks, then came Rottweilers - these too splashed the media as being dangerous. Actually my sister's friend was a Rottie breeder and shower and my sister was attacked in the face by their elderly stud dog (she still has the scars) but actually as a dog knowledgeable family we did not insist the dog was put down at the time even though the family offered,

After that came Japenese Akitas - another media outage.

So now, present day, we are onto Staffordshire Bull terriers (I have absolutely no knowledge of that breed whatsoever - it doesn't float my boat).

But do you just wonder that in a few years time, the SBT frenzy will have died down and another breed will come under attack?

Basically at the end of the day - its down to media, what people read, what they assume, the general assumptions they make from what they see and read in the papers. Because actually it seems that each and every dog has its glory as being fashionable at the time and along with that will come critics, idiotic owners etc.

Lets face it - if a breed of dog becomes prominent in the public eye then MP's feel as if they have to do something about it to gain brownie points - whether that is in the best interest of the breed or public safety whatever is on their agenda.

Surely its time, with the many thousands of dog owners in this country, to have some sort of regulated legislation for dog ownership?
 
Come on RW, get with the times, even the Kennel Club are binning the name :p

I sort of agree, but residually, all those breeds mentioned are still vilified, breeds are just added to the list of the hysterical register of 'devil dogs' over the years and I am sure there will be more :(. And totally agree there should be more legislation.

I just wish, as much as I love GSDs, there were less of them, in terms of less badly-bred specimens, less in rescue, less in the hands of numpties, and the same goes for Staffs, Dobes, Rotts.

Sounds awful but if you cock up a toy breed or give it up, more people are likely to give it a home and if it does go mental, it isn't going to be able to hurt anyone **too** badly. A dog of greater size or strength can do a lot more damage (baaa Cayla :p :D)

From March 2010 - April 2011 where I live, there were over 9k strays, over 1760 of those were PTS. A hell of a lot of those were Staffs, I am sure :(
Over 75 strays and unwanted dogs have been brought to a local pound in November alone.
But still the shysters churn out pups and still the eejits buy them off Bumtree and Dumbdeal then shunt them on or dump them when they are not interesting or cute anymore.

If only we could legislate against idiots :(
 
Thank god he was brought up with staffies, but i dont like the bit about dog attacks on private property. I'd be mortified if one of my dogs went for a postie or a visitor but they dont go in the front garden anyway and are not that way inclined, but I would like to think if they came face to face with an agressive burglar in the middle of the night and decided he posed a threat, I wouldnt then have to put the dog to sleep.
 
This has been brought to my attention and makes for worrying reading :( (Hat-tip to my very helpful, but reclusive friend :D)

Prime Minister's Questions 2 Nov

http://www.publications.parliament.u...11102-0001.htm

Katy Clark (North Ayrshire and Arran) (Lab): In the past four years, six children and two adults have been killed in dog attacks, and some 6,000 postal workers are attacked each year. There is cross-party agreement that we need to tighten up the law in this area. Will the Prime Minister take a personal interest and make sure that legislation is brought forward as soon as possible?

The Prime Minister: The hon. Lady makes an important point. Legislative attempts at this in the past have not always been successful and have not always captured the breeds that need to be captured, so I will certainly take a personal interest, and perhaps I can write to the hon. Lady and set out what the Government intend to do.


Right, anyone else want to move to Germany with us? :o :o :o
 
Thanks for that,"the breeds that need to be captured" no guessing what they are. They still dont get it though in that its the owners not the dogs which want addressing.

My dogs are always delighted to see our postlady and she always has a biscuit for them, she has always said its not the big breeds like our Dobies,GSDs that cause the problem but the ankle biters ie small breeds.
 
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