AmyMay
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http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/farmed/transport/horsemove.htm
Click on Import of Rescue Horses.
Makes really interesting reading.
Click on Import of Rescue Horses.
Makes really interesting reading.
DEFRA Statement
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Battyoldbint
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very interesting
lucretia
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indeed. GTF and JM et al should be pleased.
JanetGeorge
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Horrifying would be my description. I didn't realise until recently that horses imported to the UK from France and Ireland DIDN'T have to have veterinary checks under the Tripartite agreement.
So these ruddy French rescues - which could have come from ANYWHERE - are being brought in complete with any infectious diseases they happen to be incubating!!
So these ruddy French rescues - which could have come from ANYWHERE - are being brought in complete with any infectious diseases they happen to be incubating!!
Battyoldbint
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yep
Battyoldbint
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i think that vindicates our so called antis site
AmyMay
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Battyoldbint
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sooo who is gonna risk banning by posting that on the rescue sites
Battyoldbint
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now if i hadnt reformated me comp n lost all me links i could do it
piebaldsparkle
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Quoted from Defra
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Horses that are destined for slaughter are NOT covered by the Tripartite Agreement and therefore must have an Intra-Trade Animal Health Certificate (ITAHC) in accordance with Annex C of Directive 90/426 .
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A particulary important clarification. [/quote
Now THAT IS interesting.........
Quoted from Defra
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Horses that are destined for slaughter are NOT covered by the Tripartite Agreement and therefore must have an Intra-Trade Animal Health Certificate (ITAHC) in accordance with Annex C of Directive 90/426 .
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A particulary important clarification. [/quote
Now THAT IS interesting.........
M_G
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Thank you AM this has cheered up my thursday
JM07
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Horrifying would be my description. I didn't realise until recently that horses imported to the UK from France and Ireland DIDN'T have to have veterinary checks under the Tripartite agreement.
So these ruddy French rescues - which could have come from ANYWHERE - are being brought in complete with any infectious diseases they happen to be incubating!!
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this is exactly what us mad "anti's" have been trying very hard to highlight, JG...
Horrifying would be my description. I didn't realise until recently that horses imported to the UK from France and Ireland DIDN'T have to have veterinary checks under the Tripartite agreement.
So these ruddy French rescues - which could have come from ANYWHERE - are being brought in complete with any infectious diseases they happen to be incubating!!
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this is exactly what us mad "anti's" have been trying very hard to highlight, JG...
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
I am really pleased that DEFRA is listening to our concerns about the importation of French (and other) rescue horses.
All we have been worried about, as 'antis', is safeguarding the UK equine herd, and making sure that if people do feel compelled to rescue, they comply with animal welfare and transport legislation.
Hurrah!
S
AmyMay
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It is certainly a positive sign that DEFRA are beginning to take note of this very serious issue. And hopefully it's a step towards tighter regulation within the TPA.
AmyMay
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I have just spoke to Defra Animal Health Import Team and as long as the horses have passports they are covered by the Tripartite agreement as they are not coming to the UK for slaughter. It makes no odds that they were due for slaughter in France whatsoever!!
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You are absolutely correct. You will see that the attached in my OP is actually a Defra directive, however.
I have just spoke to Defra Animal Health Import Team and as long as the horses have passports they are covered by the Tripartite agreement as they are not coming to the UK for slaughter. It makes no odds that they were due for slaughter in France whatsoever!!
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You are absolutely correct. You will see that the attached in my OP is actually a Defra directive, however.
spaniel
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Goes to show that just because some of us are a little unpopular here amongst certain members that actually we are doing something GOOD for horse welfare.
It may not be 'right' yet but at least SOMETHING is progressing in the right direction.
It may not be 'right' yet but at least SOMETHING is progressing in the right direction.
Tankey
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Bad news and nice try. I have just spoke to Defra Animal Health Import Team and as long as the horses have passports they are covered by the Tripartite agreement as they are not coming to the UK for slaughter. It makes no odds that they were due for slaughter in France whatsoever!!
[/ QUOTE ]Your post sounds as if you don't care if EIA comes to this country
Bad news and nice try. I have just spoke to Defra Animal Health Import Team and as long as the horses have passports they are covered by the Tripartite agreement as they are not coming to the UK for slaughter. It makes no odds that they were due for slaughter in France whatsoever!!
[/ QUOTE ]Your post sounds as if you don't care if EIA comes to this country
M_G
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We can only hope and pray that EIA is kept away from our little island, I for one would be devastated if my horse had to be PTS because of the TPA
AmyMay
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Goes to show that just because some of us are a little unpopular here amongst certain members that actually we are doing something GOOD for horse welfare.
It may not be 'right' yet but at least SOMETHING is progressing in the right direction.
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I agree. After all - we are 'all' concerned about welfare, and ensuring that hightest standards are met. This starts to go someway to ensuring that these standards are adhered to. And I would imagine that 'all' parties would be pleased to read the Defra statement.
Goes to show that just because some of us are a little unpopular here amongst certain members that actually we are doing something GOOD for horse welfare.
It may not be 'right' yet but at least SOMETHING is progressing in the right direction.
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I agree. After all - we are 'all' concerned about welfare, and ensuring that hightest standards are met. This starts to go someway to ensuring that these standards are adhered to. And I would imagine that 'all' parties would be pleased to read the Defra statement.
lochpearl
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Great news - at last something that we can all understand.
Gonetofrance
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Qualifying the Tripartite recognition of a registered/unregistered horse;
*[ unregistered horse means a horse that is not on the stud book of a recognised breed society or does not hold a passport from an organisation that organises international competitions (e.g. FEI or the Showjumping Society of Ireland). By inference a registered horse is a horse that is on the stud book of a recognised breed society or does hold a passport from an organisation that organises international competitions (e.g. FEI or the Showjumping Society of Ireland). Not all horses with passports are therefore registered horses.
*[ unregistered horse means a horse that is not on the stud book of a recognised breed society or does not hold a passport from an organisation that organises international competitions (e.g. FEI or the Showjumping Society of Ireland). By inference a registered horse is a horse that is on the stud book of a recognised breed society or does hold a passport from an organisation that organises international competitions (e.g. FEI or the Showjumping Society of Ireland). Not all horses with passports are therefore registered horses.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
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It has nowt to do with my not careing Tankey of course I do! But I also care about saving these horses and that is why we will continue to do so regardless of you bunch of hypocrites! We are doing everything possible to ensure no horses are transported with infectious diseases. Seems to me with you lot it's a case of guilty until found innocent
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If those who wish to 'rescue' animals to sell on comply with the requirements detailed by DEFRA in that statement, and elsewhere, then there should be no problem, should there?
I am sure you wouldn't intend to import sick, unfit horses who lack the correct paperwork anyway, so you should welcome DEFRA's statement as we all do.
S
It has nowt to do with my not careing Tankey of course I do! But I also care about saving these horses and that is why we will continue to do so regardless of you bunch of hypocrites! We are doing everything possible to ensure no horses are transported with infectious diseases. Seems to me with you lot it's a case of guilty until found innocent
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If those who wish to 'rescue' animals to sell on comply with the requirements detailed by DEFRA in that statement, and elsewhere, then there should be no problem, should there?
I am sure you wouldn't intend to import sick, unfit horses who lack the correct paperwork anyway, so you should welcome DEFRA's statement as we all do.
S
AmyMay
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Really good point Meateater. Thanks for pointing that out. And it's soo important that these controls are in place. The measures taken in France are exemplory in trying to contain any outbreaks of EIA.
As with any disease carried by bitting pests though, obviously there is always the concern that the problem is not contained. Certainly with the lack of certification required under the TPA the risk is greatly increased - which has resulted in the statement we see from Defra today.
Everyone importing under the TPA will be aware of the risks they pose to the equade population in the UK. And it is with this in mind that Defra has reafirrmed the measures required to ensure the risk is minimised.
As with any disease carried by bitting pests though, obviously there is always the concern that the problem is not contained. Certainly with the lack of certification required under the TPA the risk is greatly increased - which has resulted in the statement we see from Defra today.
Everyone importing under the TPA will be aware of the risks they pose to the equade population in the UK. And it is with this in mind that Defra has reafirrmed the measures required to ensure the risk is minimised.
Gonetofrance
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Controls are only effective if put in place.
The traffic of unwanted horses around Europe is not subjected to these controls, therefore the risk is still present.
The mouche plat which remains on the host animal is acknowledged as a vector for EIA. As are biting lice.
Unless the animals are treated with suitable insecticides and anti-parasitic products, and blood tested before import, the UK herd is being put at risk.
The traffic of unwanted horses around Europe is not subjected to these controls, therefore the risk is still present.
The mouche plat which remains on the host animal is acknowledged as a vector for EIA. As are biting lice.
Unless the animals are treated with suitable insecticides and anti-parasitic products, and blood tested before import, the UK herd is being put at risk.
SirenaXVI
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This is very very interesting, I am sure that this will make more people think a little. Fab work guys!
SirenaXVI
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Someone already tried as you well know! Ooops sorry I banned them
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Someone already tried as you well know! Ooops sorry I banned them
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Battyoldbint
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why would they ban someone who was only showing the DEFRA guidlines
Battyoldbint
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unless they didnt want their members to know the defra guidlines????
Happy Horse
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why would they ban someone who was only showing the DEFRA guidlines
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They ban anyone unless all they want to say is "aw, he has the cutest face, someone must want to wescue him"
I think most of them wouldn't understand the guidelines anyway!
why would they ban someone who was only showing the DEFRA guidlines
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They ban anyone unless all they want to say is "aw, he has the cutest face, someone must want to wescue him"
martlin
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TBH, I wouldn't ban that in their shoes, they can beautifully play that to their advantage, just highlight this part of the DEFRA statement:
2. There is nothing wrong with the buying and transport of rescue horses provided all the applicable legislation is complied with (including legislation in place to protect welfare) and there is no misrepresentation involved in the advertising and sale.
2. There is nothing wrong with the buying and transport of rescue horses provided all the applicable legislation is complied with (including legislation in place to protect welfare) and there is no misrepresentation involved in the advertising and sale.