Amaranta
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That is just brilliant news 
Delicia update - the vet came today!
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Delicious_D
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And inhand mare and foal classes
Matchy matchy mare and foal
Phew
Not as severe as D but I decided to give my horse time off due an arthritis and an old injury the vet thinks stems from her racing days (Vet wanted me to hack all summer for 40 mins max in walk and trot only).
I'm not a happy hacker (means to an end in my mind) so decided to turn her away and put her in foal. That was in April last year and it seems like only yesterday. Scary to think that in a years time I'll be bringing her back into work.
Just goes to show no-one knows your horse better than you and in both our cases our vets too
Gut instinct counts for a lot doesnt it?
Really pleased but gutted on that front... i dont unfortunately and dont really have time to loan a horse.....havent really thought about this tbh
Very good news indeed.
*squeels*
Yes, he's lovely but there is no proof he passes it onto his foals
. My friends just bought a Uti foal, shes lovely, but for the cost of the stud i would have expected a bit more . This stallion is amazing , plus, i am breeding for me, i have to be able to ride it Fantastic news! Really brilliant. Glad you got your vet out - I know exactly who that is
So lucky D; not only gets 2 years of Dr Green and fun work but gets a lovely looking bloke in the bargain!
You know theres no crap
LOLHAHA yes sexy bloke, but she wont know it, till she births it she will be none the wiser....
tart!
Delicious_D
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This may be a daft question, I've only got very basic knowledge with breeding and the like, but...
Would her back and everything hold up OK being in foal, as I can imagine the added weight of a foal (especially during the later stages of pregnancy) adding some strain??
Glad the vets have listened to you and she is making an improvement though.
Yes, its not anything *major* and its not even that bad, shes just a tad sensitive and the KS exasibated the issues, now thats healing, so will she
Believe me, i have asked every single question, i simply wouldnt risk her
The vet bill is eek! But cannot fault KBIS, that have been amazing throughout!
That is just brilliant news
Sums it up quite nicely
Holly Hocks
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Really pleased for you - we do know our horses better than anyone else sometimes. It's amazing what time off and rest can do. Really hoping the foal is coloured - beautiful stallion you've chosen!
Tinsel Town
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Aww that's fantastic news! I bet your beside yourself with excitement that it's positive news! And she will make a gorgeous mummy! Look forward to piccys of a baby dee!!
Delicious_D
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Really pleased for you - we do know our horses better than anyone else sometimes. It's amazing what time off and rest can do. Really hoping the foal is coloured - beautiful stallion you've chosen!
I hope so but i only really care for a healthy foal
He is a stunner isnt he? Trying to get a date from mum so i can go and meet him in person (might steal
)Aww that's fantastic news! I bet your beside yourself with excitement that it's positive news! And she will make a gorgeous mummy! Look forward to piccys of a baby dee!!
I am, but it is tinged with that fact perhaps i should have *pushed* the vets a bit more in the first place but oh well.
She will make a fab mummy, she kept adpoting the foals at the yard!
Noodles_3
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Glad to hear it, I have been following your posts but not commented before. Delicia is one of the most beautiful horses i have seen in a long time!
Delicious_D
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She's a classic beauty in my eyes, reminisent of 'Black Beauty'
I love her head here, good bone structure
love her so much
wyrdsister
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Oh, that's great news! So pleased for you
Delicious_D
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thank you
SusieT
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sounds very suspect to me i'm afraid- a pelvic injury and yet happy to let her go through the stress of foaling (major pelvic stress) how did she diagnose a ligament strain in the pelvis btw? Lunging once a week is not going to keep muscle tone.
Why breed a mare who is (if i recall correctly) not stood up to much work/not that old and has potential passbale issues (kissing spine.. ).. all sounds very like telling you what you wanted to hear rather then anything else- a few days ago i thought the mare was in significant pain?
Why breed a mare who is (if i recall correctly) not stood up to much work/not that old and has potential passbale issues (kissing spine.. ).. all sounds very like telling you what you wanted to hear rather then anything else- a few days ago i thought the mare was in significant pain?
Noodles_3
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She's a classic beauty in my eyes, reminisent of 'Black Beauty'
I love her head here, good bone structure
love her so much
She does! Pure beaut
Delicious_D
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Hmm have you read my past posts?
Shes had scans, xrays, nerve blocking, nuclear scintigraphy and i passed the case onto a different vet who look at the results (who hadnt previously seen them)
I am more then happy to send you the vet report
The lunging is supplementing the hours walk in hand she does daily. She was only lame as under saddle, the rest of the time shes fine. I have videos if you would like to see?
She has done a lot of work, only recently had issues, is impecibly bred, and is breeding my next horse, not for resale. Kissing spines is not hereditary and if you xrays the majority of horses, you would see it in 75% of them?
I actually tell warts and all, but you are more then welcome to ask me questions and ill tell you honestly. I have nothing to hide.
I even dont hide who i really am on here
ETA - i would not risk my horse if i thought it would harm her. Everything is done under vet guidence, and if i am unsure, i ask. But with all due respect, i know my horse, my vet knows my horse. She was lame the other day, but she was ridden. The day after she was sound again. Delicia has the best of care, anyone on here to knows her in real life will tell you what a life she leads. Not everyone wants to breed the next Tortilas. Delicia is my lifetime mare, and i want to breed another from her
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Delicious_D
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Highlands
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Good news!
Delicious_D
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Thank you
Delicia is a lot happier, the vet commented doing the shockwave that instead of feeling the muscle spasm under her, they were soft and she could feel the ripples of the waves going along her back
Delicia is a lot happier, the vet commented doing the shockwave that instead of feeling the muscle spasm under her, they were soft and she could feel the ripples of the waves going along her back
BlackRider
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Excellent news!
I'm sure the vet wouldn't say to breed from her if they weren't 100% sure it would not cause her problems.
The hubby to be looks very handsome - looking forwards to lots of cute baby pics
I'm sure the vet wouldn't say to breed from her if they weren't 100% sure it would not cause her problems.
The hubby to be looks very handsome - looking forwards to lots of cute baby pics
Delicious_D
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Excellent news!
I'm sure the vet wouldn't say to breed from her if they weren't 100% sure it would not cause her problems.
The hubby to be looks very handsome - looking forwards to lots of cute baby pics
The vet on question was at the olympics as the head vet there
so not exactly a numpty. Plus with over 40 years experience and is a very lovely person to boot. I have no doubt Delicia would be fine, but this is the thing about forums, everyone IS entitled to an opinion and i am more then happy to answer questions about her, but i wont accept little digs that i am 'hinding' things.
At the end of the day, this is merely a forum, i get some good knowledge from here, but for verterinary stuff, i consult the only people qualified to help, my vet.
SusieT
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and on what basis did the vet diagnose the pelvic ligament strain? fair enough it may not hurt her if you only want to breed but as for a ridden carerr-pregnancy puts more strain on the pelvis particularly birth and a damaged ligament is going ot only be made worse by this....so it makes no sense to breed if you ar so carefully controlling the exercise etc....
Still sounds like a cop out-two years off will fix most horses and if it doesn't the vet just says 'oh well that's horses'! But I'm just saying as to me it sounds dodgy and hate to see people taken in.
Still sounds like a cop out-two years off will fix most horses and if it doesn't the vet just says 'oh well that's horses'! But I'm just saying as to me it sounds dodgy and hate to see people taken in.
Delicious_D
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Please explain how i am taking people in?
Based on her ultrasound scan, nuclear scintigraphy, xrays and nerve blocking, like i explined before.
She has a while before she is put in foal, and i getting better, the initial injury was in August and i will admit, i was very upset the other day. But Delicia will be ok in the end.
TBF, i have physio's, chiropractors, vets etc telling me its ok. So please, dont mind yourself if i take their advise then yours, that seems rather biased, having never commented on my more recent threads now you have an opinion im taking people in?
Please, prey tell, how? Have i anything to gain?
Your vet might be like that, but trust me, mine isn't.
pogface
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I love Dee... She looks lovely and I'm pleased you have had good news. Can not wait for her to pop out a matchy matchy foal... I expect picture overload!
Delicious_D
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Haha, got to get her in foal first
I will put pics up. Dee has her own FB page
there will be more on there.
pogface
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She will not be able to resist that stallion... Stunner. What's her Facebook name? Will find her
wallykissmas
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Glad to hear things are sounding better, she is a gorgeous horse !!! Aviform have suppleaze gold on offer or will normally do 3 for 2 if you contact them direct. It's good stuff and the purest I've found so far.
Bedlam
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I'm really pleased for you!
I understand what Susie T is saying though and I get where she is coming from. It's sooo much of a gamble breeding - much, much cheaper to buy the foal that you want once it's on the ground and less risky for the mare (any mare - even without existing issues). I also understand the scepticism about the small SI ligament strain - as I understand it it is almost impossible to image the SI joint without scintigraphy and hard to know whether there are bony changes or ligament damage, and this couldn't have been done on a single visit today. I read that you have had scintigraphy in the past though, and perhaps the vet is pulling all the pieces of the jigsaw together. It's also correct to say that muscle tone will not be maintained by lungeing once a week - even on top of an hour's walk inhand (unless she spends the hour walking in a Pessoa I suppose?)
It's going to be nigh on impossible to keep muscle tone in the SI area throughout pregnancy/birth and afterwards. I do believe that KS has a hereditary factor and I think that all vets - no matter how esteemed - are too quick to suggest putting a mare in foal. I have experience with KS, SI and breeding (all separate horses) so I do know a bit about each - albeit with just my particular cases. It's great to want to breed for yourself, but anybody breeding anything has to consider that circumstances might change at some point in the next 20 odd years and it might be necessary to sell the foal at some point in its life. I know that not everyone wants to breed the next Olympic champion, but I do firmly believe that any broodmare should be proven in some way in their field and/or graded with a studbook. Perhaps you could consider grading her before putting her in foal? Dip a toe into the breeding section and see what they have to say in there as well - there's a wealth of experience in there and they will be able to help you whatever you decide.
Having said that a few points:
1.Amour G is lovely - I have a friend who has had 2 foals by him and they have lovely natures.
2. I wouldn't question a top Olympic vet too hard(don't think she was THE top Olympic vet as I'm pretty sure he wasn't female....?!? LOL!)
Good luck with whichever road you choose (I suspect it will be the foal route) - Delicia is a lovely mare. I can tell by your post just how thrilled you are - especially after the very, very depressed post at the end of last week.
Just don't be too hard on the sceptics!
I understand what Susie T is saying though and I get where she is coming from. It's sooo much of a gamble breeding - much, much cheaper to buy the foal that you want once it's on the ground and less risky for the mare (any mare - even without existing issues). I also understand the scepticism about the small SI ligament strain - as I understand it it is almost impossible to image the SI joint without scintigraphy and hard to know whether there are bony changes or ligament damage, and this couldn't have been done on a single visit today. I read that you have had scintigraphy in the past though, and perhaps the vet is pulling all the pieces of the jigsaw together. It's also correct to say that muscle tone will not be maintained by lungeing once a week - even on top of an hour's walk inhand (unless she spends the hour walking in a Pessoa I suppose?)
It's going to be nigh on impossible to keep muscle tone in the SI area throughout pregnancy/birth and afterwards. I do believe that KS has a hereditary factor and I think that all vets - no matter how esteemed - are too quick to suggest putting a mare in foal. I have experience with KS, SI and breeding (all separate horses) so I do know a bit about each - albeit with just my particular cases. It's great to want to breed for yourself, but anybody breeding anything has to consider that circumstances might change at some point in the next 20 odd years and it might be necessary to sell the foal at some point in its life. I know that not everyone wants to breed the next Olympic champion, but I do firmly believe that any broodmare should be proven in some way in their field and/or graded with a studbook. Perhaps you could consider grading her before putting her in foal? Dip a toe into the breeding section and see what they have to say in there as well - there's a wealth of experience in there and they will be able to help you whatever you decide.
Having said that a few points:
1.Amour G is lovely - I have a friend who has had 2 foals by him and they have lovely natures.
2. I wouldn't question a top Olympic vet too hard(don't think she was THE top Olympic vet as I'm pretty sure he wasn't female....?!? LOL!)
Good luck with whichever road you choose (I suspect it will be the foal route) - Delicia is a lovely mare. I can tell by your post just how thrilled you are - especially after the very, very depressed post at the end of last week.
Just don't be too hard on the sceptics!
coffeeandabagel
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Pleased you are happy - but 2 years seems a long time to me!
I have also got a different opinion on how to treat my boy and it has some similarities with you - no riding - even though vet said to start trotting in 2 weeks, take shoes off - even though physio said it would make it more complicated.
Fingers crossed for Dee making a baby soon.
I have also got a different opinion on how to treat my boy and it has some similarities with you - no riding - even though vet said to start trotting in 2 weeks, take shoes off - even though physio said it would make it more complicated.
Fingers crossed for Dee making a baby soon.
Delicious_D
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She will not be able to resist that stallion... Stunner. What's her Facebook name? Will find her
ill pm you
Someone on fb pointed me to the offer
result I'm really pleased for you!
I understand what Susie T is saying though and I get where she is coming from. It's sooo much of a gamble breeding - much, much cheaper to buy the foal that you want once it's on the ground and less risky for the mare (any mare - even without existing issues). I also understand the scepticism about the small SI ligament strain - as I understand it it is almost impossible to image the SI joint without scintigraphy and hard to know whether there are bony changes or ligament damage, and this couldn't have been done on a single visit today. I read that you have had scintigraphy in the past though, and perhaps the vet is pulling all the pieces of the jigsaw together. It's also correct to say that muscle tone will not be maintained by lungeing once a week - even on top of an hour's walk inhand (unless she spends the hour walking in a Pessoa I suppose?)
It's going to be nigh on impossible to keep muscle tone in the SI area throughout pregnancy/birth and afterwards. I do believe that KS has a hereditary factor and I think that all vets - no matter how esteemed - are too quick to suggest putting a mare in foal. I have experience with KS, SI and breeding (all separate horses) so I do know a bit about each - albeit with just my particular cases. It's great to want to breed for yourself, but anybody breeding anything has to consider that circumstances might change at some point in the next 20 odd years and it might be necessary to sell the foal at some point in its life. I know that not everyone wants to breed the next Olympic champion, but I do firmly believe that any broodmare should be proven in some way in their field and/or graded with a studbook. Perhaps you could consider grading her before putting her in foal? Dip a toe into the breeding section and see what they have to say in there as well - there's a wealth of experience in there and they will be able to help you whatever you decide.
Having said that a few points:
1.Amour G is lovely - I have a friend who has had 2 foals by him and they have lovely natures.
2. I wouldn't question a top Olympic vet too hard(don't think she was THE top Olympic vet as I'm pretty sure he wasn't female....?!? LOL!)
Good luck with whichever road you choose (I suspect it will be the foal route) - Delicia is a lovely mare. I can tell by your post just how thrilled you are - especially after the very, very depressed post at the end of last week.
Just don't be too hard on the sceptics!
The vet diagnosed from the images done 7 or so wks ago. And i agree, the SI is so deep its hard to see clearly under the muscle layers.
I thank you for your very well worderd reply, but foaling is risky for any mare no matter the condition., it is about measuring and minimising the risk. I also understand what you say about change in circumstances,but i do have a nice little nestegg and happy to make sacrifices where possible to maintain both mare and foal.
This foal will never be for sale, its sentimental value would be too much. I do keep ducking in and out of the breeding section and have thought a lot about this. I will be breeding delicia but trust me, i really am not going into this blind
Queenbee
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GOOD NEWS!
*newsflash*
If in doubt, get a second opinion.
So Delicia's treatment had been undertaken by a very good vet, but one not used to my horse. With the way everything was going, i reverted back to one of the practise partners, and a vet that went to the olympics, Delicia's vet.
The vet thought the tildren had worked, and very well. Delicia showed no pain in her back whatsoever. She was very pleased with delicia's muscle tone and commented on how much she had changed!
She said her topline was coming on very nicely and her muscles were no longer in spasm *phew*.
However, she did say whats happened is as everything else has healed, it has become MORE obvious what the real gremlin is, which is in her pelvis. She has an injury to a small ligament deep in her SI joint, which is why she is so lame ridden and not so much on the ground (good and bad days). She didnt agree with the treatment programme i have been given, the previous vet wanted her ridden within 3 days. This has placed excess pressure on the injury, however, it has held up really well.
So Delicia is not to be ridden for probably 2 years...the vet thinks its very important we keep up her muscle tone by working on the ground, so she is to be lunged once a week in the Pessoa and once loose in a headcollar. She feels its very important Delicia goes out, but as she tires quickly at the moment (fitness levels, pain etc) she should be in at night. So Delicia is going to be with dr at least 12 hours a day whilst the weather is crap and once spring hits, shes going to be turned out 24/7.
We are to continue our daily walks in a controlled fashion and Delicia is to behave in the field :eyerolls: and maybe be sedated for her 1st few turnout sessions
She has placed delicia on a months course of Danilon. Two sachets for the first two weeks reducing to one sachet daily, then she will be weaned off with one sachet every other day. The vet was not best pleased Delicia has no painkillers (something i have brought up a lot), but agreed re:anti inflams.
I have bought Delicia some Suppleaze Gold to help also. But overall the vet disagreed, the Tildren and shockwave HAS works, the Kissing Spines are 100% better, but that isnt what the big issue was in the 1st place (although she suspects they did hurt her, so dee moved oddly and with her big movement deee sprained herself).
The vet also commented on the lovely nature of Delicia, that despite no pain killers she has done everything we asked and passed her as fully sound enough to have a foal as this is 100% injury related and not a hereditory disposition. She fully believes she will come back as a good hacker in time, but never really be elastic enough for competition due to the other issues lurking but not causing issues. She also believes Delicia will produce a cracking foal.
I am so relieved! Delicia isnt suffering but she just needs a little help! She is lame on the ground today 1/10th to 2/10th right hind only. But its high up but will get better. She believes if we can get dee comfortable she will use her back end more correctly and heal quicker.
However, as i have always said, it will take time.
I love my Vet, she has been there a lot for me and Delicia, and is fantastic! I did forget to ask about accupuncture!
Having said that, she had a shockwave treatment today and responded well to it, and is in at the vets on the 21st for her 2nd lot of Tildren treatment. The vet doesnt feel physio etc should happen just yet as dee is still in a little bit of pain and it might aggrevate it.
The vet comments her face had lost that 'pained' look. So this is the best news ever and i am so unbelievably over the moon! Thank you so, so much HHO for your vibes, they worked!
Before (august 2012)
Saturday
ETA: Due to work i couldnt be there today, all correspondence was done though my mum, instructor and friends at the yard and me on the phone when i was on lunch break
fab news D x
Delicious_D
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Thank you
thehorsephotographer
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Fab news. So pleased for you. Off to read your other posts about this now as I'm concerned one of mine my have developed KS - waiting for vet diagnosis.