Desperate for help on re-homing my 6 year old TB

Faracat said:
I wouldn't feel happy passing a horse with serious problems such as this on. To be frank, he could kill or seriously injure someone.

He needs a full lameness workup including scoping for ulcers, bone scan etc... and then go forward from there depending on what is found. The only other option is PTS.
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Aside from what I said above (and I did mention you need to rule out pain first), I do agree with this. You really do need to consider ruling out issues firstly and consider how risky his behaviour is (if he is dangerous even for a skilled rider, then I would be very reluctant to pass him on, whether loan or sell). There are worse things than PTS (essentially this is your other option), but if you did get to the bottom of anything, and he then settled or his behaviour reduced with treatment, you can then review what you wish to do.
 
If he has good conformation, paces and is of sound character on the ground then someone would want him even if jumping isn't his thing. However he is not worth any money with such severe ridden behavioural issues and £200 is I am afraid a fair price considering who ever takes this horse on is going to have to spend a lot of time and money getting to the root of his problems and fixing them, taking a big risk.
So if you need him gone quickly then I don't think you can expect to get much more money for him than this but that doesn't mean he will go to a bad home. If he is the right size a BB may be an option but some of them have waiting lists these days as so many people are struggling to keep their horses. Loaning is an option but bear in mind if the person decides it isn't working out then you are back at square one. Sadly I don't think you will find a companion home for him, horses are just to expensive to be taking on to not do a job for most people.
 
I assumed OP refused £200 because she was not happy who offerd £200, but he will need a month of expense to determine if he is ever going to find a home, and that is only the first month. So be realistic OP, put him down or pass him on.
Even in my earlier days when I would ride anything, this horse would not appeal unless outstanding conformation.
He needs to go to an experienced home with flexible facilities, and not to some child who thinks she can ride.
 
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If he has had the full works vet check wise as Faracat lists I would be wary about passing him on as he is unless to someone I knew was an excellent rider and if they couldn't improve him would retire or PTS.
 
Yet another vote for more vet intervention on a decent level. It sounds like (and I may be wrong) that you've probably got a local vet to have a look who has then dismissed him as "fine". If he was mine, he'd have had a decent bute trial on a high level of bute, a course of gastroguard then if neither had any effect I'd have packed him off to newmarket to get to the bottom of it. Of course, all these things are expensive without insurance cover for vets fees, I take it you've not got him insured?
 
With the pain route... I'm sorry but I think there is something going on. :( Not a single horse I have known, that has displayed that kind of behaviour, has come up clean on a bone scan.
 
springtime1331 said:
Yet another vote for more vet intervention on a decent level. It sounds like (and I may be wrong) that you've probably got a local vet to have a look who has then dismissed him as "fine". If he was mine, he'd have had a decent bute trial on a high level of bute, a course of gastroguard then if neither had any effect I'd have packed him off to newmarket to get to the bottom of it. Of course, all these things are expensive without insurance cover for vets fees, I take it you've not got him insured?
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Yes, this. I have known a couple that have been classed as 'fine' by the (decent equine!!) local vet and then things have come up when they've been carted off to the specialist. Portable X rays aren't as clear as scans, and you can't diagnose skeletal stuff without pictures. Ulcers is another thought. Mine improved on KER Equishure, literally within a couple of days, so now just waiting for an appointment to get him scoped.

If something fixable comes up, problem solved. If it's serious, that will ease the guilt about euthanasia, which at the moment sounds like your only viable option. I would personally be very wary about passing a horse like this on. He has real potential to seriously injure somebody.
 
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There will be someone more confident than me, there is always someone that's more confident than another.
He is sound. He has behavioural problems that someone else will be able to concur...........he is not in pain and I have admitted defeat.........he is too much for me.
I also have an horrific family situation so I therefor do not have the time for him that he deserves. I need my gorgeous boy the best home possibly and quickly.
I thank you all for your advice and I am going to find him the best home I can. And he will only go somewhere I have vetted and am 100% confident he will have a long, happy life and can give him the time and expertise that I cant.
 
Foxy109 said:
There will be someone more confident than me, there is always someone that's more confident than another.
He is sound. He has behavioural problems that someone else will be able to concur...........he is not in pain and I have admitted defeat.........he is too much for me.
I also have an horrific family situation so I therefor do not have the time for him that he deserves. I need my gorgeous boy the best home possibly and quickly.
I thank you all for your advice and I am going to find him the best home I can. And he will only go somewhere I have vetted and am 100% confident he will have a long, happy life and can give him the time and expertise that I cant.
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Sorry to hear about your situation :(

I wouldn't 100% bank on him not being in pain, do you reckon he'd pass a vetting? I personally wouldn't let him go to anyone who didn't have their own land. I know that sounds elitist but horses at livery are more likely to be passed on for financial reasons, because you get that hefty bill through the door each month. He sounds like a nice horse apart from his 'moments', and there may be someone out there to help him. And if you cannot find him a home, there is nothing shameful about that final decision. And I know I always say this, but take care of yourself and don't take any risks!!
 
Pigeon said:
Sorry to hear about your situation :(

I wouldn't 100% bank on him not being in pain, do you reckon he'd pass a vetting? I personally wouldn't let him go to anyone who didn't have their own land. I know that sounds elitist but horses at livery are more likely to be passed on for financial reasons, because you get that hefty bill through the door each month. He sounds like a nice horse apart from his 'moments', and there may be someone out there to help him. And if you cannot find him a home, there is nothing shameful about that final decision. And I know I always say this, but take care of yourself and don't take any risks!!
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Thank you Pigeon.
 
Has he had the veterinary investigations mentioned then?

it is only fair on the horse that he has before he is passed on as a potential ridden animal.
 
Sorry to read about your situation.

Regardless of what vet checks he's had it appears that it's not an option for a second opinion or further investigations due to current circumstances.

Honestly in your situation I'd pts if I didn't already know of a suitable home (and given you're posting on a forum I'm guessing not) as I wouldn't want to be responsible for any accidents that could occur due to his behavioural issues. Slightly more selfishly I'd want to be able to sleep easy at night not wondering where he was and if he'd been passed on. There are far worst fates for horses than to be pts humanely at home.

There are lots of free/cheap TBs (& other breeds) that don't have the same issues you describe your boy as having and they are struggling to find homes.

You might get lucky, I'm guessing one factor in this post, that someone experienced might see this thread and be able to offer the perfect permanent home; I really do hope that happens for you both.

A bit of a long shot but might be worthwhile contacting Vici at http://www.ukbloodstock.com/ I've bought from her before adn know others that have too; in my experience she's as honest as they come. She used to post regularly on here so if you search you might find some of her older threads. As well as training racehorses she also retrains and sells ex-racers. It might be worth contacting her to see if she can offer any advice and/or options.
ETA - I know you said sales livery isn't an option but this website indicates "or commission" and, if getting the right home is a factor, perhaps you can work something out.

Wishing you the best.
 
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TPO I'd agree, OP if they haven't been done and you need rid asap or if they have and not found anything I would be tempted to come to the same conclusion.
 
Foxy109 said:
I have been down the pain route and all is fine. I do not have the money or time to send him away to be re-trained............I wish I did :-(
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Your story pretty much mirrors what I have gone through the last year with my mare. I had even put her on sales livery, where in the 2 months she was there she didnt sell. I took her back and started from scratch. She had 3 months off work and then I slowly brought her back into full work last month. She was going like an absolute dream until we upped the pressure recently and she completely exploded one day. This was so extreme and dangerous that I called the vet... Long story short, she is currently in RVC having bone scans done due to diagnosed kissing spines. I get the results this afternoon to plan the next steps. She previously had back, teeth, physio, farrier etc etc like clockwork and no one picked up on anything, even previous vets that had visited without xraying.

What I'm trying to say is xraying and scanning can be the only thing that determines these sorts of problems. Your horse just sounds too similar to my mare and to me it sounds pain related. The vet at the RVC who examined her yesterday said that she would never be able to tell the horse had an issue if she hadnt seen the xrays.

Im so glad my mare never sold, as god knows where she would be now, dead probably. I was 100% sure it wasnt pain related and that I just had a nutty throroughbred that I couldnt manage, I now feel awful as I now know there was a reason for all of this.
 
I would suggest that the sad conclusion to all this is that if a horse is misbehaving to this level then it could well be a pain related condition.
Unfortunately an equine vet will not have the facilities or equipment to carry out a full diagnosis which will reveal issues such as kissing spines etc.
A horse with these symptoms really does need to be referred to a specialist equine clinic so that they can carry out the appropriate investigations to determine a precise diagnosis of what the problem is.
Sadly a large number of horses that are regarded as being dangerous actually have a physical problem but unless someone is prepared to have a full diagnosis carried out the horse will continue to suffer.
All very sad for the horse.
 
TPO said:
Sorry to read about your situation.

Regardless of what vet checks he's had it appears that it's not an option for a second opinion or further investigations due to current circumstances.

Honestly in your situation I'd pts if I didn't already know of a suitable home (and given you're posting on a forum I'm guessing not) as I wouldn't want to be responsible for any accidents that could occur due to his behavioural issues. Slightly more selfishly I'd want to be able to sleep easy at night not wondering where he was and if he'd been passed on. There are far worst fates for horses than to be pts humanely at home.

There are lots of free/cheap TBs (& other breeds) that don't have the same issues you describe your boy as having and they are struggling to find homes.

You might get lucky, I'm guessing one factor in this post, that someone experienced might see this thread and be able to offer the perfect permanent home; I really do hope that happens for you both.

A bit of a long shot but might be worthwhile contacting Vici at http://www.ukbloodstock.com/ I've bought from her before adn know others that have too; in my experience she's as honest as they come. She used to post regularly on here so if you search you might find some of her older threads. As well as training racehorses she also retrains and sells ex-racers. It might be worth contacting her to see if she can offer any advice and/or options.
ETA - I know you said sales livery isn't an option but this website indicates "or commission" and, if getting the right home is a factor, perhaps you can work something out.

Wishing you the best.
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Thank you so much. This is an awful time for me as I do not have the money or time. I am hoping for a miracle solution.
I cant bare the thought of him going to the wrong person. I would never forgive myself. I have already not slept for days and constantly feel sick.
I wish the lady I got him from was honest as I would of bought elsewhere. So, so sad.
 
Oh ****** il have to use this more often! Is there any other way of posting? I may be able to offer a solution, where are you based Foxy?
 
Bericote said:
Oh ****** il have to use this more often! Is there any other way of posting? I may be able to offer a solution, where are you based Foxy?
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I am in Berkshire. How can we exchange in private. Scared of putting anything private on here..............I will set up a new email address that I will close if I get anything I don't wish to receive. Wait there...............ok..........foxy109@outlook.com
 
Faracat said:
I wouldn't feel happy passing a horse with serious problems such as this on. To be frank, he could kill or seriously injure someone.

He needs a full lameness workup including scoping for ulcers, bone scan etc... and then go forward from there depending on what is found. The only other option is PTS.
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Agreed.
 
Could you not get an instructor to help, or get him professionally schooled? It may be expensive but you could end up with a lovely horse and it may be worth every penny.
I'd get an instructor I trust first then tell them you're really nervous; they might ride him for you.
 
I can't imagine any horse to behave the way you describe for no other reason than pain related. A trip to the vets for further investigations is what I'd be doing next with this one (KS/ulcers investigated first). If you can't afford the vet visit, then PTS would be the kindest option.
 
Worked 3 or 4 times a week.....as you have ruled out pain, I would think this could be the answer. My ISH would be an utter idiot if he was worked at that level. This is not a criticism, I know how hard it can be as I struggle it get the (minimum) x 5 in and preferably 6 to keep him easy and fit. I see horses come into the yard where I keep my boy for reschooling and dubbed dodgy, yet once their work is upped, they change character. Do try final furlong, as others have said, horse does not need to have raced and in the meantime, up the lunging/pessoa and general work.
 
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