Difference between Crabbet and other Arabians?

[LauraBR]

I have been absolutely desperate to paint a really detailed Arab portrait for absolutely ages so plan a trip to the Northern Arab Show tomorrow to hopefully get lots of photos to work from finally!

So, at the risk of sounding a completely ignorant idiot...

Whilst I have always admired the breed, I don't know anything at all about bloodlines really! I noticed in the thread below about the Arab foal there was mention of the Crabbet Arab, and their type being different- and on looking at the show schedule for tomorrow it would seem the Crabbets have classes seperate to the rest? Have googled and read a bit about the Crabbet Stud over here etc but I'm not any the wiser...  so it's probably a really stupid question

but can anyone humour me and explain the difference?

Are there seperate classes simply because they are run by the breed Organisation, or is it because the two are quite different in appearance? 

I'm really curious!

 

[haras]

I think it is just promoting the ols english breeding and bloodlines as they are becoming rarer, so it encourages people to continue breeding them.

I have a 50% crabbet mare, but not enough to enter her in the crabbet classes.

 

[LauraBR]

Ah, ok- thank you haras

So, reading between the lines on the other thread are the Crabbets more traditional and less exotic looking than some newer lines? Are they scored against a different breed standard or are the classes simply to recognise the pure breeding?

 

[hellybelly6]

Crabbets were originally important and bred at the Crabbet stud and are thought of as an Old English Arab.

They tend to be lighter in build, smaller and dainty compared to the Egyptians. The faces are slightly more dished and the mane/tail hair thinner and more silky.

I worked on a stud with both and I loved them all, but have to say I prefer the Egyptians. They are larger and have more bone, manes and tails are thicker and they are very good doers.

There are also russian, polish and even different types of arabs within the arab breed. They are all arabs, but they all have slightly different features. There is a type of arab called a Shagya arab which I am passionate about.

In some ways they are like Welsh ponies with all their different sections: A, B, C etc. That is the easiest way I can put it.

 

[hellybelly6]

Sorry imported, not that they are not any less important!

 

[LauraBR]

I see! Thanks HPL. I got the impression the Crabbet was the less dainty so you have set me straight!

The Shagya Arab is my favourite too- I had 'The Ultimate Horse Book' as a child which had loads and loads of horse breeds in. That book was probably the most read book of ALL my childhood books- there was a beautiful grey Shagya Arab in there which I would always pick first when my little sister and I were choosing our horses lol

Would love to own one one day, if only someone could either shrink me or breed me a 16.2hh version...

 

[jhoward]

the crabbets are not dainty. they are very stocky, with good bone, the chap in the picture is a 5 yr 93% crabbet. he had more bone than my tb x id mare.

he mum was crabbet, and there was nothing dainty about her.

 

[LauraBR]

LMAO! Now I'm more confused than I was to start with!

Gorgeous horse jhoward!

 

[mollymoo72]

in no way are the crabbet horses finer they definatley have more bone and make the best performance horses,their heads are not more dished then other arabs, if you go to www.heathstuduk.co.uk they have a beautiful crabbet stallion indian samber i sure this will be of gd use to you

 

[jhoward]

he was a pone! 14.2 hes been sold now, has gone off to a member of the gb endurance team! lucky boy he had a real crap start to life!

 

[mollymoo72]

SORRY spelt his name wrong

you would think that i would know as i show him,his name is INDIAN SAMBA got it rite this time

 

[hellybelly6]

Yes they are, they are smaller and daintier. I worked in an arab stud with an arabian horse and showing expert. We had both crabbets and egyptians. The imported Egyptian stallion was called Marawan, one of my highlights was riding Marawan.

Its gotta be egyptians and shagya arabs for me.

 

[jhoward]

LOL i think anything that has indian in the parentage is pure crabbet..

or as close as pure as you can get, there doesnt seem to be many of the 100% pures about these days.

 

[mollymoo72]

yes so have i and still do show crabbets we will have to disagree on this one the eygption head is a lot more dished then the crabbet,but either way i love all arabs

 

[mollymoo72]

amazing his sire who needs no introduction was INDIAN BANNER the bone on him was mega to say the least and stood at 15'3hh heath stud had the privalinge of leasing him 5 yrs ago now

 

[sallyellis]

sorry I have to agree with Lisa on this one, I have a high percentage crabbet and he is over 15 hh at 2years old has a lot of bone and doesnt have an overly dished face as say the Egyptian or some of the other types....this is mainly why they have their own class, you will also find a lot of them in the classic head classes at Arab shows, IZT if you go on Arabian Lines forum they may be able to tell you more as I am still learning all about breeding lines etc but there are some very knowledgeable people on there.

 

[mik]

I had a pure crabbat stallion he was the best event pony i ever had and he was so brave, there was nothing dainty about him, he won everything. i
I also had a crabbat x welsh d and she was amazing too, niether were dainty at all, and the stallion had more bone than my hano lad does for his size.
Dont have any piccys on the computer, sorry.

 

[j1ffy]

Wow, Indian Samba is stunning!! I have no clue about Arabian breeding but he doesn't look as dainty as some you see.

Love to see the palomino stallion on there - a palomino arab (or PB will do) was my girlhood dream! He's looks a little weak and high behind for my liking but what a gorgeous colour

 

[mollymoo72]

He is mega stallion samba his first crop of foals are due next yr its very exciting

xivier the palomino the pic does not do him any justice i think he is 3 in the pic,you are more than welcome to come and vist him he is 5 now and his foals are already multichampions in the showring

 

[LauraBR]

Indian Samba is indeed a beautiful stallion! Hope there are lots like him there tomorrow!

Thanks everyone

I actually feel less stupid about asking the question given there seem to be differing opinions amongst people who know what they are talking about! Shall be interesting to see if I can spot a marked difference between the horses in the classes tomorrow.

Fingers crossed for good weather, dark and dreary here today and I would prefer to paint dry arabs rather than soaking wet ones

 

[mollymoo72]

ALL the best for tomorrow im sure will will spot the crabbet

 

[mollymoo72]

All the best for tomorrow im sure you will spot the crabbet!and the weather is gd, please let us know how you get on

 

[Cluny]

Crabbets were descended from the Bedouin tribes horses of the desert and the line was started by Lady Anne and Wilfrid Blunt back in the 1870's when they brought back a number of very fine examples of the Arabian horse to their home at Crabbet Park in Sussex. The beauty of the Crabbet Arab is that they are very tough, they are bred from horses that were taken into battle, who crossed vast distances across incredibly tough habitat and who were used to hunt gazelle and other animals.

Crabbet's are by their very nature, super intelligent, (and opinionated!) but they are also stockier than the Russian, or Polish horses of today and they are definitely not so dished in their profile.

I'm very lucky to have grown up with a pure bred Crabbet mare, she's still going strong (although in retirement now) at 34 and she was bred by Dennis Hulme at the Down Park Stud. She has fab bloodlines, which were for a while very out of favour, but now are back in.

Her sire is Rayyan (Silver Vanity x Risseefa) who was bred by they doyenne of the Crabbet world - Rosemary Archer (her daughter Caroline Sussex is greatly respected in the Crabbet World)and her dam was Bright Dawn (Bright Shadow x Dancing Diamond) .

If you click on her pedigree (it goes back to the desert bred Arabs) you can see good examples of the breed and it'll give you a good idea of how the Crabbet breed evolved.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/yellow+bird7

Hope you had a fab day!

 

[JavaJaneW]

Harmony is Crabbet lines, the stud has predominately Crabbets

They are not as dished as the Egyptians but still very Araby looking

That's about as much as I know lol..

 

[Enfys]

http://www.crabbet.com/

There is a link to a gallery there.

Enjoy your day.

 

[Red_Arrow]

It's lovely to see something mentioned on here about the Crabbet Arabs, although I must admit that I didn't recognise the description of them being slight and having a dished face as I always thought of them as being a more stocky form of the breed. I have a pure Crabbet, who I absolutely adore! He has his "arab" moments for example a dislike of jumping coloured poles - which obviously become more scary if you jump them from the opposite direction! or the fact that he will spook at something as he's half way past it - but I can't fault him when it comes to hunting or XC as he suddenly becomes a flying machine! I don't very often post on here so not quite sure what I'm doing, but will try to attach a photo.

 

[Seahorse]

Crabbets are much more workmanlike and less 'araby' looking than most of the other types.
Axel's sire Saker was 100% Crabbet as was Kasadi that stood at Harwoods Arabian Stud also.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/saker3

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kasadi

 

[zizz]

Crabbet have thier own classes specifically because they are less dainty and typey than other strains and therefore often lose marks for type in normal arab classes. I posted this
pic of my purebred crabbet mare ages ago and a few people mistook her for a cob type

 

[mollymoo72]

was'nt kasadi an amazing stallion my partbred palomino mare has his bloodlines

she is the one in my sig pic

 

[jhoward]

the picture i posted, that lad is by kasadi, out of a mare called eliza rose, breed by the harwood stud.

very true to type, really intelligent, but very opinionated.