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I've been using Calm & Condition but dosen't seem to be making any differnce to his weight or condition does anyone know any other food I could try I was thinking maybe baileys No. 4 Top Line Conditioning Cubes?
Different feed needed
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posie_honey
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what else are you feeding and in what quantities? and what type of horse? are you needing extra condition or just maintainence?
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He is a throughbred x and is 14 years old he has a scoop of calm & condition scoop of molli and half a scoop of non heating course mix, and supplements. General condition really he's not lost any weight but would just like him to have a little bit more and to have a good shine to his coat he is clipped.
posie_honey
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how about substituting the mollie chaff for alpha oil?
that should add condition
and maybe subbing the course mix for the A&P the weight gain mix?
and maybe subbing the course mix for the A&P the weight gain mix?
TGM
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Is your horse getting as much good quality hay or haylage as he can eat? If stabled do you put in enough at night so there is a little bit left in the morning?
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Thanks. I have just got a new bad of molli last week!
Would you just leave the calm & condition then and just use the alpha oil and the allen & page?
Yes he always gets hay & haylage mixed and he has a big haynet and there is always some left.
Yes he always gets hay & haylage mixed and he has a big haynet and there is always some left.
CBFan
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I too would recomend alfa a but beware- it CAN heat some horses up so I would see if you can use a small amount of a friend's before buying a whole bag yourself... if not alfa a, I'd sway the molly for hi-fi and add some soya oil to it.
I have known good results from Baileys No4 but I can also recomend adding some speedi beet to his diet and perhaps cutting out the mix.
Above all I would recomend that he gets as much hay as he can eat and preferably fed from the floor as this ensures correct muscle development...
I have known good results from Baileys No4 but I can also recomend adding some speedi beet to his diet and perhaps cutting out the mix.
Above all I would recomend that he gets as much hay as he can eat and preferably fed from the floor as this ensures correct muscle development...
teddyt
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Mollichaff is just chopped straw and sugar, not the most nutriitonally valuable feed. I would change this for alfa a or D&H fibergy, which are slightly higher in energy but with less sugar and feed more than just one scoop.
Because calm and condition is soaked, remember that per scoop a proportion of the food is water, which wont help with weight gain. You could cut out the mix and increase the calm and condition or cut out the mix and c&c and swap to something like Badminton conditioning cubes instead. They are much cheaper than Baileys no 4 for the same nutritional value.
And ad lib hay/haylage. Digesting fibre produces heat, so will help keep horse warm from the inside and hence he will conserve his fat stores.
Basically you need to increase the overall energy level of the diet. Basic mix and mollichaff are lower in energy than other feeds so replace with higher energy ones, as suggested, and your horse should gain weight.
Because calm and condition is soaked, remember that per scoop a proportion of the food is water, which wont help with weight gain. You could cut out the mix and increase the calm and condition or cut out the mix and c&c and swap to something like Badminton conditioning cubes instead. They are much cheaper than Baileys no 4 for the same nutritional value.
And ad lib hay/haylage. Digesting fibre produces heat, so will help keep horse warm from the inside and hence he will conserve his fat stores.
Basically you need to increase the overall energy level of the diet. Basic mix and mollichaff are lower in energy than other feeds so replace with higher energy ones, as suggested, and your horse should gain weight.
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Thanks for all your suggestions and help.
LindyLulu
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what about baileys lo-cal mix and "outshine" supplement. if you look on the baileys website you can send message direct.
Hope you find something that suits him soon.
Hope you find something that suits him soon.
kezimac
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feed him half a pint of soya oil every day get it from tescos - will soon make his coat shiny and put some condition on him
domane
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I have a 14yo TB and this is my second winter with him. Last winter he was on Simple Systems and I really struggled to keep weight on him, despite two big feeds a day, but that may have been the yard we were on, etc...
This winter he has a 3/4 scoop (round) of dry C&C, same of Speedibeet (obviously they are both soaked first!), a heaped scoop of Alfa A Oil, a glug of sunflower oil and a mug of BOSS, twice a day. He's on individual turnout which he seems happier with as he's such an old softie he gets bullied, bitten and kicked when in a field with others, so he gets ad lib hay during the day and in a stable overnight. He's transitioning to barefoot as he came to me with very bad feet and it took me a good few months to find a decent trimmer, so he's not been ridden a lot and is missing a good topline, but he's holding his weight really well and is very shiny. Because of the lack of real work, he's unclipped and out during the day in a full neck MW turnout and is toasty warm.
This winter he has a 3/4 scoop (round) of dry C&C, same of Speedibeet (obviously they are both soaked first!), a heaped scoop of Alfa A Oil, a glug of sunflower oil and a mug of BOSS, twice a day. He's on individual turnout which he seems happier with as he's such an old softie he gets bullied, bitten and kicked when in a field with others, so he gets ad lib hay during the day and in a stable overnight. He's transitioning to barefoot as he came to me with very bad feet and it took me a good few months to find a decent trimmer, so he's not been ridden a lot and is missing a good topline, but he's holding his weight really well and is very shiny. Because of the lack of real work, he's unclipped and out during the day in a full neck MW turnout and is toasty warm.
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Thanks for all you replies you've been a great help. I have put him on Baileys No 4 and Alpha A original so we'll see how he goes.