GlamourDol
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What stage was he at when you got him?
How much of the start work was done before?
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How much of the start work was done before?
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Difficult youngster, dificult decision, please help
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severnmiles
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Ouch! I must have missed that Casey...hope you're not too sore!
casey2312
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Ouch! I must have missed that Casey...hope you're not too sore!
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Thanks matey.
Bloody typical though isn't it...I was supposed to be at Towerlands mare and stallion show this weekend. So I call them, tell them whats happened and they are great about it. I said if I am ok can I jump Sunday. Which is fine.
Then lorry man, says I need new MOT. Clutch is slipping, exhaust needs replacing. So doubly cant go.
Cant a girl catch a break.
(excuse the pun)
Ouch! I must have missed that Casey...hope you're not too sore!
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Thanks matey.
Then lorry man, says I need new MOT. Clutch is slipping, exhaust needs replacing. So doubly cant go.
Cant a girl catch a break.
kerilli
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okay, first of all, i wouldn't feed him anything other than hay. knock all other feed on the head, he's got far too much energy. ideally, keep him out all the time (in a paddock without much grass, lots of sugar in it, more energy!) so he doesn't have a good night's sleep every night. i would lunge him for a good 30 mins before i sat on him, ideally with plenty of trotting and some cantering. you want at least the edge off him before you start.
i'll no doubt get shot down in flames for this, but i know of someone who turned an absolutely unrideable mare around (been given up on by a VERY good pro) by not giving it any water for 3 days and then riding it when it was dehydrated and felt dreadful. desperate measure, but better than having to shoot it imho. this mare was fine from then on...
i would get a different saddle fitter out, honestly. whatever anyone may say, they can cause an enormous amount of pain with no outward signs other than the horse's behaviour.
have a comfy back protector on and obv a good hard hat. be absolutely black and white with him, tons of praise when he's good, and use your voice more than anything else if he's bad. they won't strop against it the way they will against a whip, but a very definite loud NO, WALK ON etc and growling if you like, work wonders. if he's already a bit tired, hopefully you can get through a minor strop easily, and teach him that it's easier to please mummy than to draw the Wrath of Khan down on his head!
some pros might take him on, especially as it's the end of the eventing season (!), but if you try to sell him as he is, i think you'll lose a lot.
very very best of luck.
fwiw, a lot of top horses were like this as youngsters, and, once turned around, never looked back...
i know of someone over your way who knows a bronc rider who can apparently sit anything, with a fag hanging out of his mouth kind of thing. if desperate, PM me!
i'll no doubt get shot down in flames for this, but i know of someone who turned an absolutely unrideable mare around (been given up on by a VERY good pro) by not giving it any water for 3 days and then riding it when it was dehydrated and felt dreadful. desperate measure, but better than having to shoot it imho. this mare was fine from then on...
i would get a different saddle fitter out, honestly. whatever anyone may say, they can cause an enormous amount of pain with no outward signs other than the horse's behaviour.
have a comfy back protector on and obv a good hard hat. be absolutely black and white with him, tons of praise when he's good, and use your voice more than anything else if he's bad. they won't strop against it the way they will against a whip, but a very definite loud NO, WALK ON etc and growling if you like, work wonders. if he's already a bit tired, hopefully you can get through a minor strop easily, and teach him that it's easier to please mummy than to draw the Wrath of Khan down on his head!
some pros might take him on, especially as it's the end of the eventing season (!), but if you try to sell him as he is, i think you'll lose a lot.
very very best of luck.
fwiw, a lot of top horses were like this as youngsters, and, once turned around, never looked back...
i know of someone over your way who knows a bronc rider who can apparently sit anything, with a fag hanging out of his mouth kind of thing. if desperate, PM me!
kerilli
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just read original post properly. didn't see that he's only 4. i'd still try to "win" some small victory with him before chucking him out, tbh. the holiday is good advice, most horses come back so much better for it (including in some cases a huge improvement on the flat, for some reason), but i would want him to finish this work period on a really positive note, not on "i dumped mummy, ha, i'm big and strong and clever."
one of my youngsters managed to drop me years ago, suddenly turned into a bronco (he was Idxtb, about 4 or 5) and dropped me big-time. i was so livid i hit him about 5 times from the floor, yelling at him and spinning him round. he NEVER did it again, went to Intermediate eventing, would have gone Adv if his legs had been up to it. it totally turned his attitude... he realised that dropping mummy wasn't fun and clever, it was the worst idea in the world. sounds a bit as if your lad needs to learn the same lesson, tbh.
one of my youngsters managed to drop me years ago, suddenly turned into a bronco (he was Idxtb, about 4 or 5) and dropped me big-time. i was so livid i hit him about 5 times from the floor, yelling at him and spinning him round. he NEVER did it again, went to Intermediate eventing, would have gone Adv if his legs had been up to it. it totally turned his attitude... he realised that dropping mummy wasn't fun and clever, it was the worst idea in the world. sounds a bit as if your lad needs to learn the same lesson, tbh.
Orangehorse
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I have been worrying about this all day! He is 4 - have you had the same saddle all the time - may be he has grown out of it? Also 4 year olds are teething - a tooth can erupt at any time and be quite painful.
I would turn him out - cut feed drastically. Have a complete check on anything that might be hurting - teeth, saddle, etc.
Then after a break see how he is.
I heard of one 4 year old newly broken-in, sold, put owner in hospital and it turned out he had been kicked by one of his field companions that had broken a rib - no one detected it. After 6 months off he was fine.
If he is SO determined to buck and he was OK before, then look for something hurting first.
I would turn him out - cut feed drastically. Have a complete check on anything that might be hurting - teeth, saddle, etc.
Then after a break see how he is.
I heard of one 4 year old newly broken-in, sold, put owner in hospital and it turned out he had been kicked by one of his field companions that had broken a rib - no one detected it. After 6 months off he was fine.
If he is SO determined to buck and he was OK before, then look for something hurting first.
amandaco2
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its a real shame but sounds like it was just taken abit too fast for him?
turn away and bring back to work.
if he is still too much OR if you dont feel confident to take him on send him away.
its not good avoiding situations you know will annoy/upset him-how else will he learn how to handle them?
turn away and bring back to work.
if he is still too much OR if you dont feel confident to take him on send him away.
its not good avoiding situations you know will annoy/upset him-how else will he learn how to handle them?