Dilemma... WWYD and a how much? (long but in paragraphs!)

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Ok, this could be a very long post, but please bear with me as I'm in dire need of some sensible opinions.

Some of you may be aware that my mare came from a rather dodgy dealer in a bit of a state; I worked for said dealer at the time which is how I ended up buying her. Two years on she's a fab horse and I love her to bits. Well, I used to work on this yard with a girl, lets call her A. She too bought a horse from this dealer; lets call the horse B. B was dumped at a livery yard by her previous owner. Our boss hated her and declared her dangerous but my friend saw something in her and worked on her for about six months before offering to buy her. She was sold as 12 but the dentist has since put her at around 17. My mare needed a lot of work when I bought her but it was nothing compared to what B was like; she is/was an absolutely neurotic little mare, a chronic rearer with a tendency to go over backwards. She also had major issues when jumping (would rear when pointed at a jump) but A took her right back to basics and built her confidence.

Lots and lots of time and money (physio etc - all her ridden problems were pain related) and lots of hard work on A's part and she turned into the sweetest most adorable mare going; she still had a few quirks but generally very gentle, friendly and just a nice person to be around. She's a solid hack, well behaved at shows, and used to be ridden (under supervision) by a tiny twelve year old novice who she looked after brilliantly.

We both ended up leaving the yard and moved our horses together to the same yard, hacked out together, went to shows together, etc. Last winter, A was struggling financially (as was I) and made the decision to sell B. She sold her with full disclosure for £1000, telling the new owners that she had reared in the past as a result of pain, but at the time hadn't reared for nearly a year. She also told them of her jumping issues and how it was important to keep her happy and confident and not push her too hard. And how she would never consent to going in a trailer until she had performed at least one backflip first...


Unfortunately, her new owners haven't heeded the advice. They swapped her professionally fitted saddle for a non-fitted synthetic dressage saddle. They have had her jumping heights of 3'6'' upwards several times a week and B is no longer a happy, sweet little mare. She has started rearing again, bites and kicks on the ground, tanks off, and has come close to going over backwards. Her new owners want rid.

Now I've always adored this mare, there is something very special about her and she's stunningly beautiful to boot. I've known her quite a long time now and I'm positive she's in pain somewhere. I hate the thought of her ending up being passed from bottom end dealer to bottom end dealer, which is inevitably what's going to happen. She's 17, a bit nuts, a chronic rearer, and apparently no longer safe to handle either.

I'm sorely tempted to buy her.

She'd be a constant companion for my mare (who struggles to settle on most livery yards due to everyone coming/going at different times - I've been contemplating getting a companion for a while as it means I can give her a much more solid routine - and avoid being lumbered with individual turnout, which is all I can find at the moment and mine can't cope with it.) I'd get her all checked out physically and perhaps she'll be up to an occasional hack (I will NOT be doing so much as sitting on her until she's had the all clear from the vet, physio, etc, to do so); if not, she'll be a big pet and have a nice retirement. I already have a sharer for my mare - I don't ask her for a financial contribution but she helps out with the horse care side of things.

On the other hand, I work long hours in a minimum wage job and fit my horse around it. I suppose I afford her fairly comfortably but I don't know if I can afford two. If I was ever unable to work through illness/injury I'd be absolutely b*ggered. And if it came to the point where I couldn't afford it, what would I do - one 12yo LOU mare and one 17yo back flipper are not exactly going to be easy to rehome!

I can't bear to see her ending up god knows where - I honestly feel almost as attached to her as I am to my own. At the same time I'm worried that I'll end up struggling to afford the pair of them - I've always hoped to be able to keep my mare for life as she's my one in a millon horse - and I'd hate to take on another and end up not being able to keep either
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The new owners want to get back what they paid (£1000) which obviously isn't going to happen. It just so happens that I'd been planning to buy my mare a new saddle and have £500 sitting in the bank - I'm thinking of offering this. How much would you say for a 17yo, 15.2hh bonkers TB?

Please either knock some sense into me / help me look at this rationally and make a decision. How have people who've gone from having one to two horses coped time/money wise? Am I completely insane to be thinking of buying a horse that could turn out to be very dangerous?

DISCLAIMER. I know, looking back, that this post probably sounds like some very dangerous/irresponsible decisions have been made in the past regarding this mare. Please bear in mind that I have at no time had any influence over decisions made and have no influence over any of her past/present owners so don't lay into me over it. All I want to do is try and secure her future - without compromising the security of my mare's future.

What to do?
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Well, it was the paragraphs that did it for me
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I know what I would do, but I am not you
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. I'd buy the mare. Life does what it does and yes, you might struggle financially, but on the other hand, you might win the Lottery.

With time and energy and patience you 'might' end up with a very nice girly that you could ride. Seventeen is no great age (having had a bobbered four year old and a bobbered five year old. Ho hum).

Edited to add: £50 and that's to include the proper saddle!

Have a hot choccy whilst you contemplate
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Poor mare... If it helps at all I have 2 horses, one retired and one in work, Ive found that time wise i can whizz through the mucking out etc and i can do a full muck out and nets etc in the time it takes some to do 1. I think in your situation i would offer them £500 take it or leave it. Its a tough one, only you can decide if you can afford to take her on. But im sure if you do she will repay you tenfold.
Good luck
 
Well for me personally having a companion was not much extra work at all, but having another to ride as well is a different ball game.
 
Well I would offer to buy her, but I am not you. I have noticed that friends with children say to look after 1, 2, 3, 4 doesn't take much more effort than 1, and I'm told it's the same with horses (can't comment personally on either scenario). However you do need to look at extra costs and if you can afford it.

Are you still in touch with A? A obviously had a big bond with this horse, would she still be about to help out physically even if not financially?
 
I think you have answered your own question really, - you want to buy her so follow your instincts. If you are fairly young and healthy you will probaby be able to manage somehow until you mid to late 40s, at least I did 'til then, and I am sure you are not that old yet!
I think you will regret not rescuing her if you don't take the opportunity now whilst you can. If you have to sell her on later because of finances at least you can sort her out again -perhaps with some help from A, if shes still about.
Good luck
 
I think you may have already made up your mind. I think I would buy her but offer £250. Do you still speak to A, woulds she not consider having her back or sharing her with you?
 
It seems to me that you will always regret it if you don't buy her. If I were you I'd offer the £500 for her and the saddle that fits. We have found that 2 horses don't take much more time to look after than 1 (although they do cost more to keep but then you're already considering getting a companion). What does A say about the situation? Could she help with either the work/finances?
As Mrs M says its best to work with your circumstances as they are now, anything could happen in the future, to any of the 3 of you. And as my mum always used to say, these things usually happen for a reason and things work out for the best.
 
I would buy her too. She sounds like a confused mare who is in pain. Sounds like you are understanding and can see her qualities. If it meant she would have a good safe home then i would buy her.
 
Thanks for answers so far - TBH I was expecting a barrage of ''NO''s! I'm getting more and more tempted - I'm actually a little excited at the prospect of having her back
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To answer the questions people have asked - I'm still friends with A and she rides my mare occasionally- she wants to buy her back herself but can't afford either to buy or keep her. I'm pretty sure she would help out with the care side of things in exchange for riding either my mare or her old horse and would help when it comes to seeing if the loopy one is rideable lol

And believe it or not, they EBAY'd her bloomin saddle!
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If you would be tempted to buy her but £500 max or even less with the good saddle - she sounds like a nice mare albeit one with issues but ones that you know about. If she is a good companion to your other horse that that is very useful to boot.

Maybe if things dont work out in the distant future then you may decide that you could put one of the horses out on loan where you could keep a close eye on them both. And if that doesnt work out then I feel that you have given her a far better life than the one she would be destined to lead if passed from pillar to post and may make the decision that it could be kinder to PTS ( I am talking about if you cant afford her in the future - not now) My boy has navicular syndrome and I know that some unscruplous people would bute him and sell on and he would be passed around and ridden into the ground because he is just short strding rather than obviously lame. He is such a gorgeous trusting boy and I would never sell on i would rather pts if it got to the point that I couldnt keep him financally than pass him on to an uncertain future.
 
Mmmm... tough one! On one hand I think you should buy her but then on the other if you are worrying about your finances, is this pain she is in going to be a long term cost you cant afford on top of the costs of having a second horse? Although it does sound as if it has only occurred again due to the way she has been ridden! But then again if you can afford her now and things do get to much for you, you could sell her or loan her to a really good owner that you have chosen and can check up on regularly!

I have 3 horses and honestly, there is no difference between having the one or the three with two being rode and one retired! Except from the extra costs obviously.

What ever your decisions i'm sure it will be the right one, just follow what your heart and what your instincts tell you

Good Luck x x
 
We managed two easily; three made a difference though! From the money point of view, well, depends on sizes etc., if they are close enough then some rugs, boots, etc. can be shared, but farrier time can still be a bit of a nasty shock - especially when worming and innoculations come at the same time!
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i had 1 to ride and 1 as a companion- i am a v busy teacher and i managed. It sounds like you are half way there in your decision anyway. If it was me then I would purely for the fact that you are taking her off the market and a) giving her a good home and b) stopping another silly billy/ novice buying a horse that is not suitable!!!
we had some people at the yard i used to have my nag that were novices fresh from a RS- nothing wrong with that except the fact they bought an £800 nutty tb mare cos she was cheap!!! she nearly killed the daughter and they sold her to a friend for £100 inc all tack & rugs 3 weeks later. the best part and this made me chuckle- the man refused to get her saddle fitted or checked as and i quote ' it would cost more than the bloody horse did'

need i say more ....

good luck
 
Think you have allready made your mind up to buy, so the £250.00 offer sounds fair to me, dont go over your budget to get her back, if they want more leave it and your phone number, then maybe haggle again when they phone you which they will, good luck
 
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