Dilute Stallions?

J

jcwh

Well-Known Member
Joined
21 January 2011
Messages
299
Location
Chantilly/Paris, France
Visit site
right..
If i was looking at a dilute stallion for Movement AND color
(i know the never breed for color etc etc etc and every good horse is a good color but)
i'm not asking for ANYTHING else. not temperament, or height, or ANYTHING. purely: movement and color.

Treliver Decanter,
Mcjonnas,
or Legrande?

PROS:
TD - lovely breeding, and movement.
M - Double Dilute
L - lovely movement and jump.

CONS:
TD - no guarantee of color
M - movement not so great.
L - if crossed with my mare, will inbreed. also no guarantee of color.

I am also aware of other dilute stallions like Lawmens Diago (TD son) but
like a multiple choice question, these are the 3 choices.

if you have pros, cons, opinions, i'd like to know.
also to note: i am not breeding, just gathering info for when i do intend to.
 
Theres lots of very smart section A double dilutes with movement to die for, and they are guaranteed to throw colour...
 
Dexter said:
Theres lots of very smart section A double dilutes with movement to die for, and they are guaranteed to throw colour...
Click to expand...

1. i assume you're talking about welsh Sec As? yeah, if i do breed i'd be looking more for a min 16hh WB stallion for jumping/dressage so... probably would never look at a Sec A.
2. But if i ever do get a pony mare that i decide to breed ever, maybe ;)

eventrider23 said:
Have you had a look at Magician GF - very very smart.

Legrande of that list would be my choice but don't know your mare's breeding
Click to expand...

Mmmm i totally forgot about magician, he had been in my list once, along with some other stallions from GF ;P
and out of Legrande / Magician, which would it be then?
my mare has landgraf and i dont intend to inbreed at all because she's already slightly inbred and as i have no knowledge in that area i'd just prefer not to do it. (safe than sorry right?)
 
If you don't want to inbreed at all/linebreed I would go Magician....he is being aimed at pure dressage this year and has passed his first stage gradings.
 
jcwh said:
Mmmm i totally forgot about magician, he had been in my list once, along with some other stallions from GF ;P
and out of Legrande / Magician, which would it be then?
my mare has landgraf and i dont intend to inbreed at all because she's already slightly inbred and as i have no knowledge in that area i'd just prefer not to do it. (safe than sorry right?)
Click to expand...

Any chance of your mares pedigree - or just her grandparents so we can check if you don't want to give anything away.

Is Electrum too small?
 
jcwh said:
right..
If i was looking at a dilute stallion for Movement AND color
(i know the never breed for color etc etc etc and every good horse is a good color but)
i'm not asking for ANYTHING else. not temperament, or height, or ANYTHING. purely: movement and color.

I think you need to be more specific - you say "anything" above and then say no to a sec A. So you don't mean anything really. Also, surely if you don't want to inbreed, then Legrande (sadly) shouldn't be on the list? More details would help.
Click to expand...
 
Amos said:
I think you need to be more specific - you say "anything" above and then say no to a sec A. So you don't mean anything really. Also, surely if you don't want to inbreed, then Legrande (sadly) shouldn't be on the list? More details would help.
Click to expand...

i said out of the stallions i was referring to above, in my list.
which were 3 horses.
not to mention i also said i wasn't breeding! guys!

if i was, my list of stallions would be very much different!! this was just to see what people's opinions of the three in the list for 2 criteria, movement and color.

again, because i'm not breeding, i am not bothered whether the semen ships to EU, or even if they do AI at all! i just really want opinions on each stallion in relations to the others.

sorry if i wasn't clear. :)
 
jcwh said:
i said out of the stallions i was referring to above, in my list.
which were 3 horses.
not to mention i also said i wasn't breeding! guys!

if i was, my list of stallions would be very much different!! this was just to see what people's opinions of the three in the list for 2 criteria, movement and color.

again, because i'm not breeding, i am not bothered whether the semen ships to EU, or even if they do AI at all! i just really want opinions on each stallion in relations to the others.

sorry if i wasn't clear. :)
Click to expand...

Both Decanter and Legrande have super movement, both Decanter and Legrande have super depth of colour, both Decanter and Legrande have BD records. I personally don't think that McJonnas has as much movement as either of the two others, but he will pass on the dilute gene 100% of the time as he is a cremello.

Is that the sort of opinion you are looking for :confused:
 
oh CL you make me sound so blunt, even to myself!
sort of, but i was also thinking about the foals they throw, in accordance to the mares.
but yes, basically that was it.
although, if you had to pick then, Decanter, or Legrande (you being biased of course, would pick Legrande? :P )
in the end is really down to the two because apart from color, my original opinion was that McJonnas was behind the two. but the question now is then, WHICH of the two is "better" in movement?
tbh i havent seen any of them loose so i really need other's eyes!
 
TD is ahead of Legrande in his dressage training as that is what he has been aimed at purely whilst Legrande has jumped as well however IMPO I would say Legrande has the better natural movement, especially behind and thus with the same training would as I said IMO be the better of the two.
 
I didn't mean to sound so blunt, I was trying to understand what exactly you were looking for in your request.

It is difficult for me, as I haven't seen Decanter loose, so I can't really comment on his 'natural' movement, but he is quite breathtaking under saddle and continues to prove himself in the dressage arena. I know that he also has a lovely temperament.

But I can comment on Legrande :D He has super shoulder movement and a fantastic hind leg, he also has suspension and elevation in all his paces. He only has three foals on the ground so far and all three were presented for BEF Futurity grading in 2010, one received a high 1st Premium and the other two received 1st Premiums.

His High 1st Premium foal (who is actually out of a show jumping mare), was purchased before he was weaned by an Olympic dressage rider and top trainer in the UK. I was told he had the best shoulder movement of any foal they had seen for a long time.

We have several mares in foal to him this year, as well as some lovely outside mares, after they are on the ground I will have a bigger picture of exactly what he is passing on to his babies.

I hope that gives you some of the information you are looking for :confused: Maybe others who have seen both horses would like to make their comparison :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top