Disfigured foaly

I would like to post a photo of the foal we had last year with a wry nose but don't know how to do it????
A year on and she is doing fabulously with regular 6 monthly dentistry at £100 a time.
I spoke with janey last night and will give her all the support she needs, she is not asking for handouts just advice, information and support.
 
tbh it sounds as though the experts involved have already given their opinions. The owner is just not brave enough to do the right thing.
 
spaniel said:
tbh it sounds as though the experts involved have already given their opinions. The owner is just not brave enough to do the right thing.
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spaniel, your meaning being? do you know these people with the foal? so how can you say the owner isn't brave enough to do the right thing?? as i said before, its a pity this was ever put on these threads with all the negativity its brought!
 
marvie said:
I would like to post a photo of the foal we had last year with a wry nose but don't know how to do it????
A year on and she is doing fabulously with regular 6 monthly dentistry at £100 a time.
I spoke with janey last night and will give her all the support she needs, she is not asking for handouts just advice, information and support.
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please tell janey that there ARE supporters on here, few and far between, but do wish her the best of luck from one believer!
 
I really do feel sorry for this lady, I genuinely believe she has the best intentions at heart and the press has probably twisted her initial plea for help out of proportion.

As the owner of the foal it is obviously her decision if she wants to try and keep this foal alive, if that is what she decides then I wish her the very best of luck, and I genuinely hope that she has thought long and hard about the ongoing care this little chap will need and the huge expense it will cost to keep this horse living on a day to day basis. If she is willing to fund what will probably be a small morgage on this horse then she is a better person than me. I do however fear that this will end either in a lot of tears for her and her daughter or a lot of pain for no gain for her beautiful foal.

For what it is worth a few years back we had one born at our yard that was very similar. Gorgous foal. The operating route was explored with the foaling unit at Rossdales but after very careful consideration it was decided that the kindest thing for the foal was to PTS.
 
At the end of the day it is the owners desicion what to do with the foal. Personally if it were my foal I would PTS because, as previously mentioned, a LOT of surgery will be needed to sort out the problem and I very much doubt it will be 100% succesfull looking at the severity of the deformation. The horse will probably have further problems in life such as breathing issues and dental problems :(

Poor mite
 
rosiefronfelen said:
spaniel, your meaning being? do you know these people with the foal? so how can you say the owner isn't brave enough to do the right thing?? as i said before, its a pity this was ever put on these threads with all the negativity its brought!
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It is very obvious what spaniel is saying. The owner wanted advice, the best person to give the advice is her vet. The vet gave advice. The owner is not taking that advice.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
are they asking for everyone else to fund it- dont think so, they want to raise the cash in whatever way they can and good luck to them- brave people!
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Giving them money is funding the op, no matter if they do a cake sale or rattle a tin in the street...it's asking other people to fund the op.

It's a form of begging.

If they want to keep it alive then they should pay for it...simples.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
please tell janey that there ARE supporters on here, few and far between, but do wish her the best of luck from one believer!
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:mad:Oh for Heaven's sakes, wind your neck in. Just because not everyone agrees that they would take that course of action in the situation doesn't make this a hate-fest for the lady, which is what you appear to be suggesting.

In her situation, I would have had the foal put to sleep at birth. Nothing I have read throughout this thread changes my personal opinion about that. That doesn't mean that I am condemning her choice of action.
 
EllieBelly1 said:
I don't believe they are expecting 'joe public' to pay...there is no fund set up, the news papers have blown it out of proportion...please read to NFED thread.
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WHY.....Why shouldn't the public donate towards the costs of this operation. This little foal will be her best friend for life......

I have always questioned the ethics of [some] so-called horse lovers and I question you?
 
enfys said:
:mad:Oh for Heaven's sakes, wind your neck in. Just because not everyone agrees that they would take that course of action in the situation doesn't make this a hate-fest for the lady, which is what you appear to be suggesting.

In her situation, I would have had the foal put to sleep at birth. Nothing I have read throughout this thread changes my personal opinion about that. That doesn't mean that I am condemning her choice of action.
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no need for rudeness! my opinion is as valid asthe next persons- i also stand by what i say so wind YOUR neck in, whatev er that crass statement is meant to mean!!
 
Oh for god's sake the owner never asked for all this negative feedback. What happened to the horsey community sticking together and supporting each other. :(
There are arguments for both sides and this lady needs our support not our negative (and sometimes very nasty comments) in order to be able to make the right decision herself.
We might not all agree with her present course of action but at the end of the day it is her decision whatever she does. In the long run I believe she will do what is best for her foal. As a caring horse owner she will certainly not want the foal to suffer. None of us where there when she got the advice from the vet/experts so we don't what EXACTLY what was said. She may have been given some hope - who knows?
Give your opinion by all means but try to be supportive as well!
 
I don't know the ins and out's! But if there is a chance I would always go for it.

I don't know how so many poeple can play god with lives of other living animals.

Nothing is meant to be easy surely? The way i look at it, IS heaven forbid someone had a car crash and needed alot of surgery and would hence be in pain... Would you put everyone in the hospital down? NO. You have to go through all the pain to come out the other side. If theres a chance to come out the other side, take it. Life for everyone (animals included) is precious. We only get one go at it, don't be so quick to stop the chance for anything else.

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I dont see that as a good comparison though, as humans we can rationalise pain and be told it is for the best and we will be better afterwards... as far as we know horses can't do that.

Whichypoos, I think there are questionable ethics that involved keeping a foal alive that maybe should not be so it can be some small childs 'friend for life' I dont see how you can say it will be friend for life at all anyway.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
no need for rudeness! my opinion is as valid asthe next persons- i also stand by what i say so wind YOUR neck in, whatev er that crass statement is meant to mean!![/QUOTE

So, if yours is as valid as the next persons why get uppity if theirs doesn't mesh with yours?

ps. "Wind your neck in" is hardly crass, look it up, you'll learn a new expression.

I see from your profile that you are a farmers wife, what would your husband do if a calf were born like that?
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**ducks out of the way of the crossfire**

I think I'd be inclinded to give it a go with the surgery while it is young, and assuming I could raise the cash. I'm of the opinion that if there is a potential solution, then let's give it everything we can before throwing in the towel.

Also, this may sound a bit overly pragmatic, but this foal's case may teach veterinarians something that could possibly help the next one that has a similar condition. Unfortunately, that's how doctors and vets learn things. We may not like to think that other, less successful cases have taught vets to do the colic surgery or joint wash-out / repair that may have saved your horse, but that's how things work.

It is really cute though, isn't it??
 
enfys said:
rosiefronfelen said:
no need for rudeness! my opinion is as valid asthe next persons- i also stand by what i say so wind YOUR neck in, whatev er that crass statement is meant to mean!![/QUOTE

So, if yours is as valid as the next persons why get uppity if theirs doesn't mesh with yours?

ps. "Wind your neck in" is hardly crass, look it up, you'll learn a new expression.

I see from your profile that you are a farmers wife, what would your husband do if a calf were born like that?
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If it's a Dairy bullcalf it'll be shot no matter what its face was like...
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enfys said:
fumanchu said:
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Badly worded. I wasn't equating the foal with a calf (what a debate that would start) just thinking that as a farmers wife Rosie would be used to such things.
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as much as i dont wish to argue with the big farmers on here, bull calves( dairy) are being kept more and more here in Wales, we have beef cattle so doesn't apply. one other thing, leading the life we do onviously stock are our business but you would never see me in a mart or abbatoir, animals are part of my life but when the time comes its over to OH, thats the way i am. Also, will you please refrain from posting to me anymore as my opinions are mocked and considered worthless. i get pleasure from reading on here daily as i can do little else but at times threads are enough to make me depressed.
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fumanchu said:
but by interevening with veterinary treatment is playing god of sorts.

if this foal was left without human intervention it would DIE.

Simple as.....
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Yes simple, as with humans if many children were left without medical intervention they would DIE. Yet they go on to lead long healthy lives. The veterinary world as well as the medical world has improved no end. There are cases on the internet that have been operated on successfully, this foal is doing well atm and so why not give it a chance as I am sure if there is a downturn in its progress the owners would call it a day.
This forum has the same old lot who are very quick to advise the pts option for anything be it old or young or with problems they don't think in their opinion can be solved. Luckily there is also a section of people on here who are prepared to give these horses a chance, not through being fluffy bunnies but because they feel it is worth giving it a go, at least trying before taking the pts option. Thank god for them.
 
micramadam said:
I know I am opening a can of worms here but I don't agree. This poor foal has as much right to life as any one of us. If this can be corrected with an operation then why not? He may go on to lead a useful and happy life and at least he will be loved and cared for which is more than a lot of other horses/ponies out here have. If it can't be corrected then yes, he should be PTS before he suffers but at least give him a chance.
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I agree with this.
He reminds me of a little camel bless him :( If he can be operated on and live a pain free healthy life then great, if not and he would be in pain the PTS.
 
ucmeicu said:
Yes simple, as with humans if many children were left without medical intervention they would DIE. Yet they go on to lead long healthy lives. The veterinary world as well as the medical world has improved no end. There are cases on the internet that have been operated on successfully, this foal is doing well atm and so why not give it a chance as I am sure if there is a downturn in its progress the owners would call it a day.
This forum has the same old lot who are very quick to advise the pts option for anything be it old or young or with problems they don't think in their opinion can be solved. Luckily there is also a section of people on here who are prepared to give these horses a chance, not through being fluffy bunnies but because they feel it is worth giving it a go, at least trying before taking the pts option. Thank god for them.
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Very well said. I am on the fence here, not knowing the outcome of the op. and the chance of future surgery worries me. Having said that there has to be room for sentiment be it in farming or breeding horses. As you say the foal looks to be thriving at the moment, any life has got to be better than none, why not let him enjoy his foalhood and give this family a lot of good memories. I think that they will soon have to make a decision, but which ever road they choose to go down I wish them well. If vets can learn something more by opperating on this foal, that can only help the next foal with this condition.
 
How odd that you should ask this...after the other thread about the horse with wry nose I thought about this foal!

It was a local story but I haven't heard anything since?
 
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