diy yard rant!

Honey08 said:
I think while your horse is in as lame you will just have to suck up that your other horse will have to come in early with the others. When you've a pair to be left out together it's a different matter, the others don't have to be involved with your horses. It's not full livery, you can't expect your fellow yard members to have to leave their horses that they want in out just to please you.
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Well that's just the thing, they didn't come in early today they came in at the normal time, Which is why i don't understand why he was left.

Shoot me down for being 30 mins late up the yard
 
HashRouge said:
But hopefully this thread shows that it might be a case of confusion - I doubt anyone is deliberately trying to do the "wrong" thing. I would just have a chat with people and try to make it clearer, rather than getting annoyed. Bear in mind that, if they are confused about whether to get him in or not, they might have thought they would see how he was and, when he seemed fine alone, decided to leave him. Rather than that they just couldn't be bothered.
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I'd like to think so, but their actions over the last month to certain people and their horses comes across as damn right spiteful.
 
I'd say that if you aren't happy for your horses to come in with the others (whatever time that may be), just try to be there yourself to manage turnout times. Managing various needs and wishes across a group of 15 horses can be difficult, so bringing in together (according to whatever time suits the 'bringer in' that day), seems a sensible way to structure the day.

As for leaving a single horse out last - I'm on DIY livery and we all manage our horses independently. I have a single horse rather than a pair or group, so I either don't turn out on days I know I can't be there to bring her in before the others (which is rare). Alternatively, I make sure I'm there before the last horse comes in.

Funnily enough though, on the one occasion she was out for a while on her own, she wasn't the least bit perturbed - so neither was I. I know my fellow liveries would have either collared her or called me if she had got upset. If your horse was fine then I'd give your fellow liveries the benefit of the doubt and assume they would have called or collected if he hadn't been.
 
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serena2005 said:
I have said to them before I don't want any of my horses left out alone, and I thought that the amount of times I had said it, I had made it quite clear.

There is definitely no misunderstanding, the ring leader has it in for me! She works her way through the yard pushing out the people that don't do as she wants.
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We have one like this who does whole yards! Horrible person. Don't let her bully you. Speak to whoever you're friendly with and ensure everyone is again told not to leave your boy out alone.

serena2005 said:
The agreement was for the horses to be brought in at 4, not when this woman decided they had been out long enough.
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No doubt some people are bringing in about 4. Would you mind if the last one was brought in at say 3, then yours with it, despite it being a nice day? Because if so, I would make that extra clear to the other liveries.

matt_m said:
I'm with the OP on this one. Surely it is common sense not to leave a horse out by itself, or am I being dim?
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Totally. I think regardless of time, I would bring in a lone horse, particularly if the owner had repeatedly said to bring in hers if it were last. It's simple. If he's going to be alone, bring him in, never mind the time.
 
ihatework said:
On average, how many times a week do you manage to bring your horses in.
How often are you bringing others horses in?
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I'm usually one of the first up there in the evenings, so most nights
If someone happens to get there before me then they have usually started to bring in all ready.
As people arrive they grab a head collar and put it on the next horse waiting at the gate
 
Thank heavens I do not keep my horses at livery and this is exactly why I would never have a livery on my farm. What a nightmare - horse fine - owners ???
 
cinnamontoast said:
We have one like this who does whole yards! Horrible person. Don't let her bully you. Speak to whoever you're friendly with and ensure everyone is again told not to leave your boy out alone
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She has already made my friend move off the yard! :(
I've had a few run ins with this woman about the way she does things, like a whip at the gate... Don't even get started about that!

She just decided to start going up mid afternoon to bring in, which is when I said I wanted mine left.

Now the days are brighter they all come in later, but yet mine are left some days, the days happen to be late up lol
Obviously the days they are both out its not a problem, but when it's just one.
I've even had a day when one has been brought in and the other left! Madness
 
Sorry, I'm a little confused 😞

When you asked for your horse to be left because the weather was nice, was he left on his own then?

If so and he was fine, maybe they just think he'll be fine all the time
 
sport horse said:
Thank heavens I do not keep my horses at livery and this is exactly why I would never have a livery on my farm. What a nightmare - horse fine - owners ???
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HAHAHA some days I just let it go over my head, but this woman think she runs the yard and if you don't agree then you find your horse out alone lol guaranteed if she hadn't been up tonight he would have been brought in
 
russianhorse said:
Sorry, I'm a little confused 😞

When you asked for your horse to be left because the weather was nice, was he left on his own then?

If so and he was fine, maybe they just think he'll be fine all the time
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No he was with my other horse (currently in on box rest)

The thing is, now the days are longer they are all coming in later, except the days this woman is up mine get left. Which is fine if they are both out.
 
When I ran a livery I had a lot of issues with turning out and bringing in. I would go up on mornings swap rugs feed and then everything out and 9 times out of 10 I would also muck out hay and water everything then we would all be up on an evening to bring everything in which was great until one person decided the winter grazing was too far too walk and would ask for there horse to be left out alone over night which I did what owner requested until I soon realised her horse was distressed so I told her she either came and got her in or she would have to move. For over a week I didn't see her so I was bringin the mare in and one evening I went up the mare was gone and all of her owners stuff. There's no way in this world I would leave a horse out alone no matter how many I had to get in or how much hard work it is. I'm with OP on this one. I'm now glad to have my own field with no other horses or people. Since the livery I've become very antisocial with the horsey world.
 
I don't blame you! I try to keep myself to myself and will help anyone out. But sometimes it just seems like some people go out of their way to make life awkward!
 
All sounds incredibly complicated for a DIY yard. All the ones I've ever been on mean exactly that, not do your own 'oh and every one else's too'!! I don't have time in my life to get 15 horses in, hence why throughout my DIY time I've always either buddied up with one other person if I only had one horse in a mutually beneficial arrangement, or PAID services or as now, have a family group of horses, two of which are mine and our own field on a yard. I have no responsibility for others on the yard (accepting emergencies or obviously distressed animals).

I wouldn't want lots of different people handling my horses, from an insurance perspective surely a nightmare waiting to happen.

Whether this other livery is making trouble or not, sadly reality of a DIY yard is your horse, your responsibility. So whilst your mare is off turnout, I personally would not play the liveries game and either ensure I was up in time to get my horse in (and ****** the rest ) or if he is fine on his own, leave him be till you are up. In normal circumstances you have two out so don't need to get involved in what appears to be a rather strange system.
 
Totally agree!
It was a yard decision for everyone to help bring in all horses at an agreed time. I'd rather just do my own. But went along with it as its what everyone wanted!
 
There is no way I would livery on a yard where I was expected to handle or bring in up to 15 horses !
DIY to me means do it yourself.
 
concorde said:
There is no way I would livery on a yard where I was expected to handle or bring in up to 15 horses !
DIY to me means do it yourself.
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Ditto.....been their and worn the tee shirt.....and you would have some people did not even turn up to bring their own horse as thought it was some free service......this can also create a lot of resentment amongst those that bring in all the time.....own horse DIY!
 
_OC_ said:
Ditto.....been their and worn the tee shirt.....and you would have some people did not even turn up to bring their own horse as thought it was some free service......this can also create a lot of resentment amongst those that bring in all the time.....own horse DIY!
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Yep, agree with all this.
 
concorde said:
There is no way I would livery on a yard where I was expected to handle or bring in up to 15 horses !
DIY to me means do it yourself.
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Unless I've mis-read something I don't think any of the liveries are EXPECTED to bring in all 15 horses. If people want to bring their own in early, that still leaves the majority in the field. If there are only two left before 4pm, then whoever is bringing in their, fetches the other. I don't see that as a hardship because I doubt it is the same "other" owner ever day of the week.
 
serena2005 said:
She has already made my friend move off the yard! :(
I've had a few run ins with this woman about the way she does things, like a whip at the gate... Don't even get started about that!
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I don't let all and sundry handle my horse because I want her handled in a responsible and respectful way, I do think however if you opt into everyone handling horses and not paying you just have to poke up with the way people do it. People who are nervous around horses are the most likely to shout, flap, hit and have a whip at the gate if you don't want your horse exposed to that (which I fully understand) then you need to put an end to the
other people handing your horse unless they are people you really trust.
 
The yard I used to be on was a bit like this, turning everyone else's out and bringing them in, feed everything in the morning, hang all the morning nets etc. I'm now on a yard where you do it all yourself and aren't expected to do anything for anyone else. We still do each other favours if asked but otherwise you sort yourself. Much better, no arguments. Would not go back to a yard now where you were expected to do other people's horses.
 
What a pain.

If you are going to have a "blanket" rule like that, then one person should not be allowed to elbow in and bring in the lot early. Bring in her own early if she so wishes.

I too would be annoyed to find everything early because she decided, so what if its raining? My horse won't dissolve and neither will anyone else's.

I would also be MORE than annoyed if my horse was outwardly displaying signs of stress having been left out alone and it was being purposefully ignored. Whomever made the decision to leave my horse out alone would be getting the vets bill forwarded to them and I would be telling that to them. (My horse would jump out of the field or gallop around until she was injured/lame/coliced).

The best rule on a livery yard to me was "No horse left on its own". This means that even if you are up later, your horse isn't in early (unless requested) and isn't on their own. If they are in early it's for their own safety and I am fine with that.

This "ringleader" sounds like a bully. Now I am normally a very calm and levelheaded person, but if someone was "having it in for me" through my horse by purposefully leaving it out and putting my horse at risk, they would get the full force of my considerble wrath. (Just to clarify that I don't mean violence LOL! But I'm no shrinking violet).
 
OP I feel your pain..my horse kept getting left out by herself despite me asking repeatedly for her not to be, even when people could hear her calling in distress from the yard. I blew my top and made my feelings clear. I would never leave a horse out by itself unless I have specific instructions from the owner.
 
atropa said:
OP I feel your pain..my horse kept getting left out by herself despite me asking repeatedly for her not to be, even when people could hear her calling in distress from the yard. I blew my top and made my feelings clear. I would never leave a horse out by itself unless I have specific instructions from the owner.
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It is one of the huge advantages of having two horses on a DIY yard, you generally have turnout and bring in freedom. Though does fall down sometimes.

It is tricky. I used to have two out along a foot path, 15 minutes round trip away. And it was a yard rule not to leave solo horses out.

However, yard owner backed me up, that people could not leave one additional horse out with my two, without asking first (as sometimes was fine if I was only riding one etc., but not if me or sharers needed to bring my two in to feed), as added 15 minutes to fetch 3rd horse as weren’t happy leading 3 on a long muddy footpath with puddles, people, kids, dogs, gates etc.

This however made people very grumpy and unhelpful if I was competing one horse, and left the other in the field.

I ended up (after someone left mine out on fireworks night, with fireworks one field away in the dark, saying they didn’t see him in the field!!!! He had weak sacroiliac issues and was frantically pacing and spinning in the mud in sheer panic when I arrived. I’d texted all liveries in my field and asked to either bring mine in and I’d pay or return the favour, or leave one out with mine and I’d happily put that horse to bed when I got back in lorry with my other horse. Person who left him out alone, had a broken phone, and didn’t get message, it was careless rather than malicious. But after that I ALWAYS stabled my second horse when I rode or had the first horse in the lorry.

I think you need your yard owner to re-iterate that pairs of horses can be left out for the owner. But ALL single horses must be brought in whatever time of day. That is a normal rule (unless owner tells everyone happy for horse to be left alone).

My funny horses are at a different yard now, much smaller, and both now stay alone happily, but didn’t at past bigger yard. Most horses turnout alone, but not that many stay calm alone if bring all friends in, unless very good grass IME.
 
fatpiggy said:
Unless I've mis-read something I don't think any of the liveries are EXPECTED to bring in all 15 horses. If people want to bring their own in early, that still leaves the majority in the field. If there are only two left before 4pm, then whoever is bringing in their, fetches the other. I don't see that as a hardship because I doubt it is the same "other" owner ever day of the week.
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Spot on
 
I've just arrived at the yard and I'm absolutely fuming at the thought of having this conversation with the yard
But I think it's wrong for my horse to be singled out

Thank you for words of advice and support
 
One of the reasons I would not want to be on an unmanaged DIY yard. This system relies on everybody being confident leading two horses at a time and all horses being ok to be caught in in pairs and everyone being confident handling every horse on the yard in case they end up having to bring a horse in that is not their own. You have to hope all horses are easy to catch and handle
 
The clue is in the name. DIY. Do It YOURSELF.

If you don't like what other people are doing with your horse, sort it out yourself.

This makes me SO glad not to be at livery. I am on my own yard, with my own horses and working to my own routine. With none of this he said/she said bitching and having to work around other people's animals nonsense.

And as other people have said, I don't think it's done personally to pick on you, it just seems to be a misunderstanding. Instead of ranting on a forum, maybe approach the lady/s in question and talk about it maturely and clearly, that way everyone knows where they stand.
 
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