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Hi,

Sorry if this sounds very stupid but here goes!!

I have recently purchase a lovely mare that I am smitten with, however I have been told her breeding (sounds very good) just I haven't got any proof of it on her passport etc. I have spoken to her first owner who bred her and she has told me all about it but not sure if I she still has all the papers and if I can get hold of them etc....

I would like to eventually breed from her, so would like proof of her lines. Would like to know how much roughly is the DNA testing and any other info you might have? Is it easy to do etc?

Thanks! Lots of cookies and cake for reading this! Or if you are dieting (boring!) a carrot stick :)
 
I'll be keeping my eye on this thread as I have the same sort of problem. I recently bought a pony who is very obviously Connemara, but because I don't have breeding papers with her, I can't do Connemara classes which I could do otherwise.
 
I'd love to have the proof, she is by Balougran she does look just like him and the way she moves is just like him...hopefully will be the same jumping!

Really hope someone has more info on this!
 
hi Littlemissmoneypenny,
ive had my horse for 6years and i still dont know what the brand mark is on his leg! ive tried looking at pictures on the net and the closest one i found was the Zangershiede Stud (I looked this all up about 3years ago) and when i emailed them to see if i could send a picture and they could tell me if it was they said I would have to send them a bloodtest which would cost me 200 euros or something ridiculous! i then emailed them back asking if they could just look a the picture i took as that was a lot of money for me, and they just didnt reply! i think its a very messy buisness trying to find lost papers for your horse. but good luck!
 
Thanks for your info! I know she was by Balougran before Zangershiede bought him so she has no brand on her, think he was originally with Paul Schockemohle. Trying to find her mum, I know she was a 17.3 showjumper that competed in the belguim teams (I think) but can't remember her name! Might be worth asking my vet next time they are around!
 
When we bought our DWB mare there was a mixup with the passport (she came with one for a stallion - all in Dutch so nobody noticed and the markings were almost identical) anyway to cut a long story short - I attempted to get DNA testing done but was advised that unless they had a sample of the sire and/or dam to compare to there was no point - you could go forever testing various sires and dams. However if you think you know the dam and/or sire and the owners of those horses are happy to provide you with a sample to compare with then go for it - mind you the 200 you were quoted is relatively cheap compared to what I was quoted and that was four years ago.

If your horse has a microchip you can trace the breeding that way - we did and found out that our horses breeding was better than we had been told
 
tikino said:
it costs £45 for the dna test and as longfas the mare and stallion have a dna profile you will be able to get her breeding verified
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Can you tell me where you got this quote from - I tried many different places and was always quoted far in excess of this. Is it just for those horses bred in the UK?
 
AFAIK it's quite expensive - It was £50 just to have my colts DNA taken & in to storage (New Forest) Should imagine it's more to test for parentage?

& you can only test if you think you know both parents, else you can't test against anything?
 
The VIT database in Germany shows to the studbooks(not the public) that the horse has either Sire and Dam or DNA held. The DNA companies show Sire or dam,Sire and Dam. The charges by the BHHS are at the moment £22 though with the fluctuating pound this may go up. The DNA company we use will also do a search of the database for Sire matches. If no DNA profile is held for the sire or dam then there is a problem and of course older stallions were bloodtyped and that is no longer generally available. DNA is improving rapidly and at one presentation at Belgium company said that the only thing stopping on the spot DNA testing was the cost
 
Unless one or both of the parents have been tested & their profiles stored with or can be accessed by the person doing the DNA test there would seem to be little point. If you know the stallions profile is held at Z stud, then you'll need to pay the money to confirm the sire line. You then need to find where the mares profile is held (if it is), & probably have to pay for another test with them unless they accept the results of the Z stud test.

The prices vary according to which organisation you use. Most insist that a vet verifies the sample has been taken from the named horse, which also entails a vet visit, the cost of which will vary according to whether they take a hair sample or blood sample (not your choice - made by the testing organisation).

Be careful of just finding a company to do a cheap test, as the holders of the sire/dam info may not accept the results if they aren't convinced their standards have been met & horse identification adequately verified. Their horses name means a lot to them, so they will be very wary of potentially false claims.
 
thanks for all your info! She has a microchip so I will try and look into it that way. Her name is Baldanza and was bred in the UK. Sounds like a complicated process! I will try through the old owners as well. It's not massively important at the moment but just would be nice to have :)
 
Hi Sywell. Can you tell me what the BHHS is and how you get access to the VIT database in Germany please? I have a German warmblood born in Warendorf with no parentage but a mincrochip but I am convinced he is from Cassini I/Capitol I lines and any information would be a bonus.
 
To Mithras. The British Hanoverian Horse Society is a daughter society of the Hannoveraner Verband and has access to the VIT database through them. In the past horses in Germany were microchipped but it was not mandatory at that time to put them on the database it is of course now mandatory. On the horse record on the VIT database there is a discription of the horse. The database can be searched by years of birth,colour,parentage and brand marks and is very good. If you send an email to the Studbook Managers address on the BHHS website giving details of you horse when he has a moment he will have a look giving head marks and leg marks and brand and microchip marks. hanoverian-gb.org.co.uk
 
Be careful of just finding a company to do a cheap test, as the holders of the sire/dam info may not accept the results if they aren't convinced their standards have been met & horse identification adequately verified. Their horses name means a lot to them, so they will be very wary of potentially false claims.
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Horse names are not considered to be important only the UELN is important as many horses have the same name. The cost of DNA to us is quite cheap as we do over 15000 a year and is internationally recognised.
 
Thank you Sywell. I will email the Holsteiner Verbrand first because thats what I think he is. From what you say, they should also have access to the VIT database. Hopefully I will find something out about his breeding!
 
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