Puppy
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There's another one advertised by the side of the page atm too:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/marketpla...3000_194139.htm
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/marketpla...3000_194139.htm
Do Friesians really command such a price premium?
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Daisy11
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I agree, for that reason she is over priced. She looks brown not black and in my opinion as a Friesian owner i think she is a poor example of the breed because of her colour.
what aload of cr*p so because mine is brown/ black throughout winter makes mine a poor example .
a poor example of a friesian is something that been thrown together and has dodgey confo etc
mine is out out a 2009 reserve champion doaitsen 420
mum side is ulbert 390 but mine turned this colour so you say even tho mine is out of top bloodlines but has turned brown that is a poor example of a friesian .
MagicMelon
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I think they're still a bit like Iberian breeds - still quite a novelty.
mealrigghallstud
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I don't think she is a bad example of the breed simply because she has bleached out - 90% of friesians are brown black it is hard to breed a true blue black - the majority are born with white - the 2 must be linked! - they used to come in grey and chestnut.
They are expensive because you pay for what you get - there are tons of friesians bred every year - masses of them get imported to the UK the majority help to line Mr meat mans pocket, have seen papered friesians go for £500 at auction with foal at foot because they are so badly put together!! It is hard to find a nice compact friesian with a big butt!!!
They also have alot of genetic problems thanks to inbreeding so are a faff to breed which hikes the prices up more. Also the FPS are trying to turn friesians into warmbloods conformationally so are having problems with stamina and heart/lung room - the worst of the modern type friesians being Doaitsen who is producing some awful offspring but is fashionable so used loads - most of the top carriage drivers no longer use friesians but are resorting to crossing them with arabs to get the stamina - called arabo friesians.
If you are after the baroque/classical type then Feitse produces some very nice ones, although his son Tsjerk are renowned for being very highly strung - but look flashy in the show ring which is what matters now to the FPS.
I like the old style friesians but they are like hens teeth now as not in fashion so hard to find, that is why we went into crossbreeding which is seriously frowned upon, but if got right can produce very nice useful horses - after all nearly all warmblood breeds have friesian in them at some point in their past, along with shires, fells and dales who would not look the way they do without friesians - and friesians would not look the way they do without the spanish blood that was bred into them and I think should be carefully put back to help with the genetics. We are not in the FPS's good books as we have listed the genetic problems they get on our website - lead balloon!!!!
I would rather people made an informed decision!!!
Temperament wise they are usually a very loyal breed and very willing - often their downfall as they are often broken in at 2 to sell on - so are knackered young which is sad, we don't break ours until 4 or 5, why are people in so much of a hurry!!!??? They are a lovely breed but beware when you buy - get a full 5-stage on a ridden/driven horse to check for OCD.
They are expensive because you pay for what you get - there are tons of friesians bred every year - masses of them get imported to the UK the majority help to line Mr meat mans pocket, have seen papered friesians go for £500 at auction with foal at foot because they are so badly put together!! It is hard to find a nice compact friesian with a big butt!!!
They also have alot of genetic problems thanks to inbreeding so are a faff to breed which hikes the prices up more. Also the FPS are trying to turn friesians into warmbloods conformationally so are having problems with stamina and heart/lung room - the worst of the modern type friesians being Doaitsen who is producing some awful offspring but is fashionable so used loads - most of the top carriage drivers no longer use friesians but are resorting to crossing them with arabs to get the stamina - called arabo friesians.
If you are after the baroque/classical type then Feitse produces some very nice ones, although his son Tsjerk are renowned for being very highly strung - but look flashy in the show ring which is what matters now to the FPS.
I like the old style friesians but they are like hens teeth now as not in fashion so hard to find, that is why we went into crossbreeding which is seriously frowned upon, but if got right can produce very nice useful horses - after all nearly all warmblood breeds have friesian in them at some point in their past, along with shires, fells and dales who would not look the way they do without friesians - and friesians would not look the way they do without the spanish blood that was bred into them and I think should be carefully put back to help with the genetics. We are not in the FPS's good books as we have listed the genetic problems they get on our website - lead balloon!!!!
Temperament wise they are usually a very loyal breed and very willing - often their downfall as they are often broken in at 2 to sell on - so are knackered young which is sad, we don't break ours until 4 or 5, why are people in so much of a hurry!!!??? They are a lovely breed but beware when you buy - get a full 5-stage on a ridden/driven horse to check for OCD.
Maiko
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But the trouble is blackhorses, you list a lot of alleged genetic defects, but have very little to back it up with. You are forever slating the more modern Friesian, and yet ignore totally the fact that they are out competing at a very high level and doing very well, with no apparent problem with cantering, collection, etc which you have stated in a previous post is a problem for all modern Friesians!
You say that you want people to make informed decisions when buying a Friesian, and I agree that people should have all the FACTS, but everytime you post it is YOUR version of the 'facts', with an appalling slanted view of anything that is not baroque. This does not help people make an informed choice.
You say that you want people to make informed decisions when buying a Friesian, and I agree that people should have all the FACTS, but everytime you post it is YOUR version of the 'facts', with an appalling slanted view of anything that is not baroque. This does not help people make an informed choice.
Daisy11
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have to agree with maiko i think in a matter you do have to agree any type of friesian can develop problems not just modern friesians
just one question: why would people want to start breeding more modern friesians then baroque if they are such well developed
and why would you wanna start crossbreeding if their such quality friesians
just one question: why would people want to start breeding more modern friesians then baroque if they are such well developed
and why would you wanna start crossbreeding if their such quality friesians
UnaB
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The bleaching of the coat does NOT make it a poor example. I'd see poor conformation as being a poor example of the breed, the colour is just the icing on the cake. Most black horses will fade to some degree if they are out in the sun.
I disagree that the modern ones are poor quality and prone to more genetic defects. I have yet to see any evidence of this at all, some very biased view on an internet forum does not count as fact.
I would prefer for the mare to be graded to really warrant that price tag, as pictures can be decieving. But she looks like a nice sort and if i was looking for a friesian i'd go and see her and make an offer.
Blackhorses - i do believe you need to be careful what you write on these forums. Naming stallions and saying they have genetic defects and producing "awful" quality foals is likely to get you into trouble. You are incredibly judgemental about friesian breeders and criticise the breed constantly, i can only imagine the reason you breed them is because of the high price tag they command!! As for the white on them, your own stallion has a white foot (which you never put on your ads!!!!) and produced a foal with a lot of white a couple of years ago so i wouldnt be criticising other stallions for that...!!
I really dont think the FPS give too much thought to what you put on your website, your horses aren't registered with them, they are not graded, and you primarily breed crossbreeds so i really dont think they'd worry too much about what you say on your website lol!!! From my experience of actually talking to them, they are perfectly open about the problem in the breed (all breeds have their issues) and they are working to eradicate them. Maybe breeding the slightly lighter ones is how they could deal with problems like OCD??
I disagree that the modern ones are poor quality and prone to more genetic defects. I have yet to see any evidence of this at all, some very biased view on an internet forum does not count as fact.
I would prefer for the mare to be graded to really warrant that price tag, as pictures can be decieving. But she looks like a nice sort and if i was looking for a friesian i'd go and see her and make an offer.
Blackhorses - i do believe you need to be careful what you write on these forums. Naming stallions and saying they have genetic defects and producing "awful" quality foals is likely to get you into trouble. You are incredibly judgemental about friesian breeders and criticise the breed constantly, i can only imagine the reason you breed them is because of the high price tag they command!! As for the white on them, your own stallion has a white foot (which you never put on your ads!!!!) and produced a foal with a lot of white a couple of years ago so i wouldnt be criticising other stallions for that...!!
I really dont think the FPS give too much thought to what you put on your website, your horses aren't registered with them, they are not graded, and you primarily breed crossbreeds so i really dont think they'd worry too much about what you say on your website lol!!! From my experience of actually talking to them, they are perfectly open about the problem in the breed (all breeds have their issues) and they are working to eradicate them. Maybe breeding the slightly lighter ones is how they could deal with problems like OCD??
SO1
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When I read this post I expected the horse to be advertised for 10k or something! She is really not that expensive considering that if she has been imported that will cost quite a bit.
A nicely put together horse who is easy to handle with a pedigree and looks nice is going to cost that sort of price. A good registered connie or a potential show cob of the same age will be that sort of price too. Being a mare as well will up her price.
A nicely put together horse who is easy to handle with a pedigree and looks nice is going to cost that sort of price. A good registered connie or a potential show cob of the same age will be that sort of price too. Being a mare as well will up her price.