Pidge
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Ok following on from flintus post I have a GPA hat bought about 4 years ago. Is it safe to do small XC jumps (2'-3') wearing it?
Do I need to get another hat?
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Toby_Zaphod
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Providing your hat hasn't been dropped or knocked heavily it's integrity should not be compromised & it would be ok to use. If you've come off & had a heavy head knock I'd certainly change it. In the whole scheme of things hats are replacable, heads aren't.
Pidge
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no been pretty lucky in that respect "runs off desperately to touch wood" I was just wandering safety wise as I'm sure someone said the GPA weren't allowed by some organisations?
Santa_Claus
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if it has a fixed peak then its your decision. You won't be allowed to compete with a fixed peak XC. Personally I only ever do XC with a skull cap as even if the jumps are small you never know.
lucemoose
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ive just asked that in the post a little earlier!
Weezy
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I SJ in my GPA but I absolutely NEVER hack or hunt in it, I have a Charles Owen J3 for that - in fact my GPA only ever comes out in the summer for schooling and for competitions.
Pidge
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being really blonde now but how do I tell if it has a fixed peak or not?
Pidge
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oops sorry didn't get that far
Santa_Claus
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same as me weezy! i don't have a GPA as personally i would just never wear one for several reasons but my fixed peak traditional velvet hat comes out only for SJ/dressage competitions for everything else its my skull cap.
Santa_Claus
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being really blonde now but how do I tell if it has a fixed peak or not?
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easy is the peak attached to the body of the hat and if you press the front of it hard will it crumple or not move. It attached and solid then fixed.
The peaks on velvets are firstly obviously not attached but are far more flexible and on impact will crumple
being really blonde now but how do I tell if it has a fixed peak or not?
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easy is the peak attached to the body of the hat and if you press the front of it hard will it crumple or not move. It attached and solid then fixed.
The peaks on velvets are firstly obviously not attached but are far more flexible and on impact will crumple
Pidge
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Ahhhh I also have a Just Togs hat that I bought last year to do shows in, blue velvet with beige coloured harness not sure what model though. So if I was to get another hat which one would everyone recommend?
ETS: so my velvet one would be better to use then? Or am I better buying another one anc keeping the velvet one for shows?
ETS: so my velvet one would be better to use then? Or am I better buying another one anc keeping the velvet one for shows?
Weezy
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Skull cap, anything that is BE legal.
Pidge
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thanks Lou, much appreciated
can feel another shopping trip coming on
Iestyn
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Really? I competed BE intro and PN in a JTE that I am sure has a fixed peak - I've got it yellow tagged as well!
Weezy
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I figure if you are allowed to jump whopping great Badminton trakeners in it, it will be suitable for hacking
As I said, I have a J3, it is super comfy but DOES get a bit warm in the summer hence why if I am having a proper hardwork training sesh I wear my GPA.
lucemoose
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crap, am sensing a trip to the tack shop!
Santa_Claus
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one that fits your head! i know seems a stupid answer but its amazing the people who don't! Also depends what you want it for. I presume your JT one is fine and so any other would be for xc etc so I would go for a standard skull cap. There is research about which have the best safety ratings but I can't remember where online it is sure someone else can dig out the link though.
Santa_Claus
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Really? I competed BE intro and PN in a JTE that I am sure has a fixed peak - I've got it yellow tagged as well!
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You may find your JTE actually has a collaspable peak as I believe some do but not all! Just actually checked on robisons and yes SOME of the JTEs have what is called a 'flexible' peak which means it is not fixed as it will collaspe and crumple on impact hence being BE allowed though personally I would still prefer a skull cap
Really? I competed BE intro and PN in a JTE that I am sure has a fixed peak - I've got it yellow tagged as well!
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You may find your JTE actually has a collaspable peak as I believe some do but not all! Just actually checked on robisons and yes SOME of the JTEs have what is called a 'flexible' peak which means it is not fixed as it will collaspe and crumple on impact hence being BE allowed though personally I would still prefer a skull cap
Pidge
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hmm I do get a sweaty head anyway even with the GPA (sorry that was too much information I know
) and as a result the inside has compacted at the front so is padded a bit so could probably do with another hat anyway. think a mooch on the internet is in order.
Pidge
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thanks, I always get my hats fitted properly and can tell myself now if its too tight or loose. will see what I can find out about the best skull caps safety wise.
ETS: Just found this about the GPA's - it says the visoris flexible but I take it not as flexible as it should be then?
Meets EN 1384 standards and features a mechanical two-way airflow system.
Air is sucked in through flaps along the titium headband and channelled into the hollow of the shell before being expelled through rear vents.
Frontal headband reinforcement in Titium.
Inner shell for shock-wave absorption.
Chin strap with three retention points.
Flexible visor.
Weighs around 450g.
ETS: Just found this about the GPA's - it says the visoris flexible but I take it not as flexible as it should be then?
Meets EN 1384 standards and features a mechanical two-way airflow system.
Air is sucked in through flaps along the titium headband and channelled into the hollow of the shell before being expelled through rear vents.
Frontal headband reinforcement in Titium.
Inner shell for shock-wave absorption.
Chin strap with three retention points.
Flexible visor.
Weighs around 450g.
teapot
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Just to throw a spanner in the works - there is a photo in the latest edition of Eventing mag of someone going Xc in a GPA Pikeur
What safety standard(s) are the GPAs?
What safety standard(s) are the GPAs?
Iestyn
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I'm ashamed to say that it had never crossed my mind - never read anything on it until now! Fortunately though I'm not planning on eventing for a while now so it won't really matter!
Santa_Claus
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some/all new GPAs must have flexible peaks as well then (which will meet BE rules) but again personally I would only XC in a skull cap as personal preference
Santa_Claus
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found the hat test results link
http://www.mdirf.co.uk/enhapresults/welcome_05082006.asp
makes interesting reading i think you will agree!! There was further testing done in 2006 but the site says those results are not yet available.
Katie
http://www.mdirf.co.uk/enhapresults/welcome_05082006.asp
makes interesting reading i think you will agree!! There was further testing done in 2006 but the site says those results are not yet available.
Katie
Weezy
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No way would I XC in a GPA either!
Pidge
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thanks ever so much for finding this Katie. Looks like it may well be the Charles Owen J3 then.
Patches
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I find that really interesting.
I have a Troxel Spirit for summer riding (My head never gets hot and sweaty in it) and a Charles Owen Young Riders hat that looks more traditional.
When I had my Troxel I was informed by people on HHO that it was a dangerous hat and most wouldn't entertain wearing one as they're not British Kitemarked. They do meet PAS 015 and something else which I can't recall off hand. However, it has a better Enchap result than my Charles Owen.
I have a Troxel Spirit for summer riding (My head never gets hot and sweaty in it) and a Charles Owen Young Riders hat that looks more traditional.
When I had my Troxel I was informed by people on HHO that it was a dangerous hat and most wouldn't entertain wearing one as they're not British Kitemarked. They do meet PAS 015 and something else which I can't recall off hand. However, it has a better Enchap result than my Charles Owen.
teapot
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Interesting results - my skull cap which is now my second hat is right in the middle with 2 dot thingys.
And my new hat which incidently had a peak isn't on there as it's only been on the market a year. It's a Charles Owen so will be interested to see the next set of test results.
I've only ridden in a GPA once and hated it. Really felt like there was nothing protecting my head and that was schooling on a rubber surface, let alone jumping big wooden things
Is it the PC that have said a big fat no to jumping xc in the GPAs?
And my new hat which incidently had a peak isn't on there as it's only been on the market a year. It's a Charles Owen so will be interested to see the next set of test results.
I've only ridden in a GPA once and hated it. Really felt like there was nothing protecting my head and that was schooling on a rubber surface, let alone jumping big wooden things
Is it the PC that have said a big fat no to jumping xc in the GPAs?