do people breed without papers??????

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as post says i want to breed my dog but he has no papers as his mum was bred as a one off to make spaying easier.

Do people breed pedegree dogs without any papers?
 
i believe they do, not every one needs them if it is just for a pet.

i don't think you will be able to charge as much for them.
 
im not really bothered about the money its just he has the means so why not let him lol.

but of course extra bit of cash would be nice.
 
My neice bred off her Dalmation without papers. Sold pups for considerably less than KC reg ones though. Not sure why your dogs mum needed to have a litter before spaying - thats an old wives tale!!
There are plenty of professional breeders out there with dogs with papers, IMO leave the breeding to them as there are enough unwanted pups around.
 
"He has the means why not let him" why not have him castrated instead?

The above is a pretty poor excuse to add the the dog population un-neccearily.

Do u have homes lined up for these puppies.....if so how can u be sure they are good homes.
What breed is he.......is he hip scored, eye tested, even if breeding for pet homes, you need to make sure thay are of good healthy/medically sound breeding.
 
my ex wont get him castrated and he is medically fine the above was a joke jesus alot of you have lost your sense of humors.

Im not even 100% thinking about it anyway it was a general question where did i say oh cool i will go get him some tomorrow?
 
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I don't know about the breeding to make spaying easier side of things, sounds a bit of a cop out to me, our vet has certainly not recommended that to us.

What sort of dog is it you have? Will you be able to home the pups?

Lots of pedigree dogs over here without papers, mainly because many Breeders won't sell without a non-breeding contract, seriously hypocritical if you ask me....it's OK for them to breed, but not anyone else?
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It doesn't stop people breeding from the dogs anyway. Personally, if I am buying a pedigree dog at pedigree prices, then I want it to have valid registration papers, not just pedigree parents.

The extra cash would come in handy you say, it usually does, but to say that on here........ you have a big wooden spoon in your hand
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my ex wont get him castrated and he is medically fine the above was a joke jesus alot of you have lost your sense of humors.

Im not even 100% thinking about it anyway it was a general question where did i say oh cool i will go get him some tomorrow?

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Sorry, couldn't see the joke in your OP.
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Sorry I dont have a sense of humour where un-neccesary dog breeding is concerned......might have something to do with the fact that I have 24 rescue dogs in my care.....mostly pedigree
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If it was a joke.....than fine......I just idnt read it as a joke
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So if you are joking about him 'having the means why not let him' and you say you are not interested in the cash, what are your reasons for wanting to breed from him?
 
But end of day that was meant as a joke all i asked was do people breed without papers not hey im going to breed my dog just for the hell of it and give all the puppies the cruella devill it was a simple enough question as me and my ex used to wonder all the time if there is a market for breeding un papered dogs.

This is a tightly wound part of the forum.
 
again i would like too but i never said i am going to all i asked is if there is a bloody market for un-papered dogs.

The main thing stopping me is the fact he is the breed he is and they attract the wrong type of people.
 
He is a staffy and the thing that annoys me is the fact so many so called animal lovers are quick to say they attack children and other horrid things bollox they are the most loyal and loving dog in the world i refuse to believe you can brand a breed of dog because insodents have accured an labrodor is as capapble of biting a child and have done in the past.

The problem is blokes go out and buy staffies and other types of dogs and use them as a willy extentsion because they think they make them look big and clever and they teach them to fight and bite cats ect a dog is what you make it with your influence like children.
 
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im not really bothered about the money its just he has the means so why not let him lol.

but of course extra bit of cash would be nice.

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What an utterly appalling reason to breed a litter of pups from un unregistered dog. The dog gets a shag and you get some money.....not exactly a responsible thing to do is it??

Yes Im sure there would be a market for the pups. Sadly not the sort of market you should be selling into.
 
i have never known such a reaction to a simply innocent post and fyi that is not swearing in my eyes we use that word in general conversations where im from so to me its not swearing and wasnt intended to come across as swearing.

I must say the ammount of people who constantly breed there dogs on here have pics of dogs and pups when they are born when do you ever jump down there throats?
 
god dont you start aswell carry on reading love i meant that as a JOKE oh you all get up my nose at times had it of been one of the ''POPULAR'' memebers it would of been pee your pants funny.
 
The reason it is a tightly wound part of the forum is because of threads like this. There are several issues in this thread that could wind me up, being people who breed for the fun of it, people who won't get their pet dogs castrated, people who ask for advice then snap at the responses they get and the fact that there are thousands of unwanted dogs in rescue centres. However, I am a fan of cross-breeds, and most of my dogs have been unpapered, so I am not opposed to 'amateur' breeding as such. It is important to make sure that the dogs are 100% healthy, and that they have excellent temperaments. Above all, make sure that you can home the puppies. If you are going to try and breed a pure-bred, check for hereditary problems within the breed.
 
I think staffys are lovely dogs but unfortunately they are one of the current breeds most likely to end up in a rescue centre (out local one has at least 10) and our local admag have 3 columns of staffy pups advertised, this is an excellent reason not to add any more to the list.
 
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god dont you start aswell carry on reading love i meant that as a JOKE oh you all get up my nose at times had it of been one of the ''POPULAR'' memebers it would of been pee your pants funny.

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No certainly I wouldnt be peeing my pants.

It was a bloody silly thing to say if you didnt mean it and if you DID mean it then you need your eyes opening.

Im sorry but I cannot fiond a joke anywhere in your posts marmite.
 
i have never known such a reaction to a simply innocent post and fyi that is not swearing in my eyes we use that word in general conversations where im from so to me its not swearing and wasnt intended to come across as swearing.

I must say the ammount of people who constantly breed there dogs on here have pics of dogs and pups when they are born when do you ever jump down there throats?



Most of your posts end up like this actually Marmite.
You ask a question, people answer in good faith, and you get ratty at them.
 
I've not jumped down your throat at all! I purely asked a polite question about why you wanted to breed from the dog because that information is related to the question you asked. For example, if the dog was unregistered but was a champion in some performance related activity, then there may be a good reason to breed and there may be a good market for his pups.
 
Something else you might want to bear in mind is that once a dog has been used for stud, it doesn't necessarliy go back to being a nice pet. It can become very focussed on the job. I do think your reactions to some of the answers to your OP show an incredible degree of immaturity on your part. You may not take breeding seriously, but true dog lovers do.
 
they end up in rescue homes because of the reasons i highlighted people buy them as a status and ruin what would of been a perfectly natured dog i love my boy he is gorgeous and if people would stop crossing the street with there children to get away from him and actually talk to us and try to understand that they are not nasty dog society makes them nasty.
 
If he's a Staffy without papers, well, it's likely you're going to attract the wrong sort of buyer lured by the cheaper prices. People involved in dog fighting are attracted by the very same thing when they see cut-price Pit Bulls sold in the newspapers over here.

There's good reason that people get ticked off with posts such like this one; like Cala said, many here are involved in rescue and have to pick up the pieces when "backyard breeders" pimp out their dogs because:

A bit of cash would be nice
It's fun for the kids to see mother dog have sprogs.
I wanted another "just like the one we have".
He/she has his tackle, so why get in the way of mother nature.
 
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