do people breed without papers??????

ive never done it hense why i didnt know if you could breed without papers or if there is any point doing so.
And i never stated i was going to do it i said i would like to not i am going too big difference.
 
In my honest opinion my lad has no needs for his testicles as i have heard they can get cancer ect and if i had my way i would have him chopped by the ex wont allow it i dont know why but he wont.

I feel more sorry for him having to put up with discharge constantly it cant be nice for him at all but you lot tell that to my ex
 
It is a very commonplace man thing - somehow an owner of a male dog sees his dog's bollx as an extension of his own! If the dog has a discharge it may have an infection, this is not normal.
 
no its normal male dog discharge stuff he is fine he has regular vet checks its just overflow because he dosent breed just builds up and got to come out somewhere.
 
Ewww! Mind you, I have always had my male dogs neutered. It is just kinder. Bear in mind that once he gets the hang of breeding, he will find a way to masturbate - if he doesn't do that already.
 
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You wait and see how things are between Finn and Tinks once Finn is sexually mature! I suspect one of them will become the other's bitch...

[/ QUOTE ]Finn was VERY much Tinkers bitch when he first arrived... thankfully the shagging has stopped... however when we go to OH's dads to do Jaggles, Tinker shags the Staffie (boy) continously - staffie attempts to shag finn but 1) isn' tall enough and 2) gets told off by finn who growls or plays dead!!! LOL
 
Agreed...........all the more reason...not to breed
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There is a small market for unpapered dogs, but one unpapered dog can lead to more litters of unpapered.

My family having a few REGISTERED litters, its hard enough to find homes, and it certainly doesnt give you a bit of extra cash, in fact probalby the opposite.

I would seriously reconsider. Have a look outside of the situation, and look at it from our point of view.

If any dog is to be bred, it should at least have papers, or in few cases, bred for a perpose. Not just so that your dog can enjoy himself for a few minutes.
 
I wouldn't consider breeding from anything that wasn't hip-scored, had papers (so full history can be traced, if there is an illness that could be hereditary you can then check out all of the lines and stop breeding from affected stock, without papers you don't know what you have) e.t.c With the Inuits if the ears didn't come up properly or not quite straight or the tail curled over when the dog was stood neither faults would be acceptable therefore we wouldn't breed from them.

There are enough ill-bred dogs in the country without adding to the population.

I've seen pics of the dog and he's lovely but I personally wouldn't breed a litter that could have very sad lives.
 
Don't want to add to the controversy but would just say in agreement with other posters that generally pups without papers don't find homes so easily, and if someone (not suggesting its would be you marmite) were to allow an unregistered dog to be used on their staffie bitch then it is fairly likely they would not be too fussy about the homes the pups went to. As you obviously feel strongly about the bad press staffies get ( which I fully understand as a GSD owner), I would imagine you would prefer not to go along this route.
 
Yes lots of people breed dogs who have no papers. Of course the sale price of the pups are far lower than a registered dog.
 
QR : marmite - would you be purchasing a bitch then? as everyone seems to be talking about you looking after the puppies etc...

You say you could do with the cash - obv you would charge a 'stud' fee for your dog to stand but you wouldn't benefit from the sale of the pups unless you owned the bitch???? so is it worth the £50-£100 you could recieve to know that there could be pups that end up falling into the wrong hands thus promoting the bad iage of the staffie???
 
Yes that point crossed my mind too. It's hardly worth letting him bonk for 50 quid LOL!! All the troubles that will come afterwards just isn't worth the hassle in my opinion.

Just one other thing marmite; does the dog belong to you or your ex? If the dog belongs to you; what right does your ex have to say he shouldn't be castrated?
 
I agree with everyone i am afraid... Tell your Ex to get over with his EGO and get that poor dog castarated there is far too many unwanted pups/dogs especially saffies. IMO you won't get any profits from breeding your dog. 50 quid doesn't go far now days. Even if you have a Bitch... there's emergency caesarian, sick puppies, or sick mother, mastsis, to consider when breeding from Bitch/Dog with no background is risky. and not cheap. Nursing food to think about, vaccinactions, setting up whelping area blah blah.... Just think about it.
 
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The main thing stopping me is the fact he is the breed he is and they attract the wrong type of people.

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TBH that is a very good reason NOT to breed him(and to get his bits off.My OH is the same but "lets" me castrate anyway).
Although he is lovely and real fun ideal pet material it is going to be very hard to find good homes for pups, even more so since you own the dog not the bitch(who the pups are sold to will be the decision of the bitch's owners not you).
 
In answer to your question - yes you can breed without papers - whether you should or not is the real question you should be asking yourself.

To be totally honest the only valid reason for breeding more pups is to improve either the physical or working attributes of a breed - therefore the only dogs being bred from should be those that have proved their quality by either winning in conformation or working competitions. There may be a case for using poorer quality dogs if a breed's gene pool is exceptionally small - NOT a consideration in your breed I think
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The fact that your boy is not kennel club registered probably means that he is of poor quality with little to offer the breed - the only folk likely to be interested in using him would be the worst kind of back yard puppy farmers - with all the resultant heartache that this entails. There has already been a 40% increase in Staffys being placed on rescue due to the recent amnesty in some parts of the country - can you justify adding to the already huge problems that this breed currently faces ?.

I'm sure that you want to do the right thing for the breed that you like so much - breding substandard - unhealth checked pups is not going to do it any favours !
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There are many twists and turns to this argument. For example my Lab is exceptionally well bred with many famous FTC's in his pedigree but he has OCD in his elbows - so although the pounds signs rang up in my eyes when asked to breed from him - I did the sensible thing and castrated him, but he has excellent confirmation and is a brilliant gun dog. I would never buy another lab whose parents hadn't been hip and elbow tested.

My spaniel on the other hand has a registered sire but unregistered dam, hence he is unregistered, bred by a gamekeeper. Again he is excellent at his job and a wonderful dog but again I would never buy an unregistered dog again because I can't trial him without papers but I would gladly allow someone else to use him as a stud because I would have one of his puppies - so would a lot of other people in our area because they know him as an excellent working dog. Its horses for courses I'm afraid.
 
Hi Amy. I've not read the whole thread, but I get the gist!! My Ulla is papered and we got her with a view to breeding from her but in the end I had her spayed for several reasons;
Dobes tend to attact kn*bheads who want to look 'hard' (I suspect same is true of Staffies/staffie crosses even though both breeds in my experience are VERY gentle and loving)
and I wasn't sure I would be able to find responsible homes for a whole litter. I would HATE the thought of any of my pups (Actually Ulla's pups
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) ending up with a kn*bhead and possibly encouraged to fight, or worse still, breed more pups...
 
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