Do we have to be notified when there is a bike race?

...generally they are hard working people who have jobs and so have to race/train then. The local police/authortities permit the organisers to control road safety and the roads tend to be closed. (whereas closing a road in the UK for even a major event is almost impossible). Yes its slightly inconvenient for people, ......not looking for excuses to prevent other people doing healthy hobbies and to abuse each other, and are happy to see other people enjoying themselves. Neither do they consider that one sport is superior to the other, ......

But then horse riders trying to get horses fit etc, are also hard working people who have jobs and so have to ride then. Not everyone has somewhere they can school so this may be the only way to get the horse ridden. Plus, there was one poster who mentioned she was turning horse out when a cyclist started being rude etc, so what should she do in this instance? Not turn horse out? Again, not everyone can ride every day of the week, and some with children for instance, can only ride maybe twice a week, so it may be that the night the cyclists are out, is the only night she can ride, so the way I read your post is that she shouldn't do her sport so that they can do theirs? (I could well have misinterpreted what you said though). :)

I do agree that rather than looking for ways to blame each other etc, we shouldn't be looking to prevent others doing their hobby/sport, and abusing each other, and again, neither sport is superior to the other. Its all about peoples attitudes and the same as there are rude cyclists, there are also rude horse-riders.

If they shut off the road up here that they use, then there would have been a lot of home owners unable to go out, horse owners unable to get to their horses, and the entrance to the beach would have been shut off. More than a little inconvenient, if you can't go check on your horse etc, as there were a few that had had fields so no YO.


The other thing that shocks me, as I do both sports, is how dependent a lot of equestrian competitors are on their family support network and don't actually do the sport as an independent adult on their own.

I'd be guilty of this! I find it really difficult to go to the shop myself due to severe lack of confidence. The only places I go are to the horses, work and to my parents. At the moment, I depend a lot on having someone with me otherwise I start panicing(sp?). I don't like it and I hate it, but I'm lucky that my OH doesn't mind coming to shows. I really hope that as time goes on, and I get to know a few of the events, I can then go on my own.

I'm afraid this is just something I cannot get worked up about. I'd just stay very relaxed about the whole thing, as for the life of me, I cannot understand this British hatred of cyclists, especially when the rest of the country is in such a mess.

And I have never, ever, met as bad behaving a cyclist as some of the spoilt princesses of the equestrian world. Just vile, some of them!

I think the whole point of the hatred of cyclists is the way they act to situations and are rude themselves. They will hog a road and you are unable to get past them for several miles (if at all). If you have to be somewhere due to an accident, and then get caught behind one cyclist on a single road and they are on the middle of it where you can't get past, it gets very frustrating. This was a regular occurrence last year, where you had to force your way past them. By the same token though, horse riders are thought of in the same way by drivers (not that that makes it any better). Anything not a vehicle is basically seen as a nuisance on the road. :cool:

See, the worst I've seen of a cyclist is the hogging of the road, whereas I can also believe some of the experiences on here, so I'm not as much a "hatred" of them as some people might be. Some laybys are long enough that they could pull into them still continuing, and letting a car past, but they won't move an inch, thereby the negative feeling towards them then gets higher. If I take my pony out training, I move her over so personally can't see why they don't. :)

I was naive on my last yard and there was a sign saying "road race" put up on the Friday so I though, great, I'll miss riding on Friday and take pony out on Saturday. Saturday I headed out and bikes started whizzing past. They went to the other side of road and pony ignored them. More came towards up. Pony didn't bat an eyelid. We then came upon the check point where they had bottles of water and I can't remember what they had but pony didn't like it. We got past after a few minutes and carried on. More cyclists whizzed past. There were emprt bottles of water thrown on the verges. How bloody charming, I though and took pony down the beach/into the forest. Coming back we met the last lot. I don't remember them being polite/rude but we managed to co-exist fine on the roads.
I drove back from the yard, and the marshalls had gone along the route and picked up all of their rubbish from the verges etc. so I can't say I had a bad experience of them at all and TBH, I thought it was a great experience for my pony.

I took another pony out, when they were training - again, they train several nights and during the day at weekends so if I never went out when they were training, I'd never get out - and a group of about 10 cyclists came from behind. The first couple got past, pony got upset and started spinning, the others hung back, I managed to get pony under control and the others got past without incident. No ill feeling from them and I did shout thanks.
 
We have about 4 lots of cyclists using our village and we have biker night on a Wednesday for the motorbikes. I tend to ride in the morning anyway but I just think it's sensible to avoid using the road at those particular times. Everyone has equal right to use 'the public highway' as long as they abide by the Highway code.
There is some guidance that was issued by the BHS with reference to cycle clubs, perhaps it might be worth having a chat with your local Road Safety officer?
 
Mithras, I only screamed at the cyclist because he was in the middle of the road, rather than in the perfectly good cycle lane, which is right next to it! I should also say it was dark, he had no light, fluro or helmet on! And yes I have accosted similarlaly attired riders.
And they do close roads for marathons etc where possible.
 
See, the worst I've seen of a cyclist is the hogging of the road, whereas I can also believe some of the experiences on here, so I'm not as much a "hatred" of them as some people might be. Some laybys are long enough that they could pull into them still continuing, and letting a car past, but they won't move an inch, thereby the negative feeling towards them then gets higher. If I take my pony out training, I move her over so personally can't see why they don't. :)

One the worst incidents I've had with horseriders was when I was driving along a narrow country lane towards two horseriders taking up the whole road. I slowed down to almost a standstill and as they moved in, drove very slowly past. One of them started shouting and yelling abuse at me, so I stopped, and rolled down my window, and the gist seemed to be that I should have stopped dead while they rode past, as one of them was riding a young horse (although there was no way of knowing this as both horses were ultra quiet and far calmer than their riders). But on a more regular basis, at showjumping, I see a number of very spoilt young women with their entire families running around after them to enable them (often at great expense) to do their sport. Screaming, shouting, swearing and yelling at all those around them is hardly uncommon, and seems to be a characteristic of the breed. Nothing will now convince me that a horsy woman is not some kind of potentially screaming nutter, unless the opposite is proven, as I've now encountered so many.

I'm not speaking for all cyclists. I used to race more now whereas now I do more BS than cycle racing. But I have done both sports competitively. And I've got far better, long lasting friends from the cycling world than the horse world, with a few exceptions. You know the sort of friends that would always help you out if you needed them, without expecting anything back. Whereas in the horse world, I've encountered so many people that just want you to do stuff for them and then who drop you when they find out you won't.

As I say, in other parts of the world, it is horseriders who are expected to pass a test before they are allowed to ride on public roads, and perhaps this also has an educational benefit that would assist some horseriders, who seem to have little knowledge and perspective on the outside world.
 
cyclists are a sensitive subject with me! have so many problems with them round here....flying up behind us not shouting to let us know they are there....skidding round tracks and showering us with stones....not giving way....ahh they just do my head in sometimes! mountain biking has become such a huge thing around here and they are taking over :(

at the end of the day who would get the blame if my pony kicked them in the head when the come shooting up behind her...me!!

i'm always so pleasent to people who pass correctly and stuff, wave, smile, even chat to walkers, and the cyclists who are polite and let us know they are there i'm extra nice to cause i'm so surprised ha ha!!
 
I would agree with trying to encourage people to do their riding and road safety. I did it at 12, and it really gives you a good grounding. As for spoilt horse children, yes there are far too many about, and I think a lot of them shout at drivers because they are scared. My ex is one of them, but he now boxes up to off road hacking. He was always a liabilty when we met traffic, although he is getting better. There also need to be education as to handsignals. Many drivers think you are flagging them down when you are in fact just asking them to slow down a bit.
I also hate seeing peopleride 2 abreast where the road is very narrow,especially if on their phone at the time.
 
Would that be the same as riders out hacking who don't pay road tax then?

As I've had far more abuse from horse riders than cyclists over the years, and I drive very slowly.

Yep, the police get notified when a cycle race is taking place. The roads aren't only for you to enjoy your sport, but others too. I'm a bit puzzled as to how cyclists would be able to race at speed on narrow lanes without direction arrows pointing out which way for them to take...

Speaking as someone who has competed in mountain biking and road cycling, and also BS and showing, give me cyclists any day. Far more pleasant, less abusive, well adjusted people than your average nutjob horsewoman! (although I have to admit I've just come back from a day spent with a bunch of spoilt "showjumping princess avec mummy", and my views may currently be slightly biased).

Oh well caught:rolleyes: we may not pay tax, but i will give way to traffic and dont act as if i have more right than anyone else to be on said road.
As i i said in my post some are fine others ar arses and my experience is many cyclists think theyve the god given right to drive you off the road, to keep the pace
Your " i cant get worked up about it" comment and lack of understanding about the various dangerous things that have happened to posters re this issue confirm you as having the exact attitude people are commenting on in this thread when your cyclist hat is on, no regard for others
 
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Wow! After reading all that I feel pretty lucky: our local cycle club sent me a letter a month in advance saying they are running a road race on Jubilee weekend and giving a route plan! I've no idea how the cyclists will behave on the day but I won't be caught out hacking at least...
 
Its about mutual respect. I ride and also have a good friend who does these bike races. You get some nice cyclists and some not so nice ones just as you do horse riding. 99% of the ones i meet are pleasant, shout they are there and ask to come by if going quicker etc on road. A bit and give and take.

Mithras i have to agree there are far more obnoxious riders about than cyclists in my experience. Just becuase you are on a horse does not make you the most important thing around.

I have been to a number of endurance horse events which are also held on public roads/bridleways etc and the really competative people wont stop or slow down for anything such as walkers, bikes, cars or other riders etc as they are in the middle of a competition, they will charge past anything and everything without a word. Yet they would expect cyclists in the middle of a race to do the same. We all share a limited amount of space and if i was out riding and came across a race i would make all efforts to stay out of the way or avoid the area so as not to spoil or get in the way of their competition, i am only hacking afterall and its no hardship.
 
I'm a bit puzzled as to how cyclists would be able to race at speed on narrow lanes without direction arrows pointing out which way for them to take...

I ride some of the same roads as Luci and encounter much of the same and I can promise you they hit speeds in excess of 40mph on single width roads (some of which are steep hills). I encountered some of the same morons that day and was lucky not to be taken out by some of them coming round a blind bend at speed from behind me (I was on Leith Hill). The roads in question go on for miles without turns, so it's very easy for them to pick up speed. On that particular day I had a look on facebook and friends in the area from all walks of life were ranting about their behaviour, from '4 abreast' to 'bobbing along for miles with no consideration'. Thankfully I wasn't hurt as I have a good pony, but if I had been leading a horse, or walking in the road with a kiddie, I shudder to think. I felt one bike whistle past my leg!

I do try to ride very early in the morning, now, as once the groups get out onto the lane up to my field, it can be a nightmare. The lane stretches for 5 miles uphill, with only one turn off. I'm happy to show consideration, but the behaviour of many of them really does take the biscuit!
 
I have come across more rude cylists than riders... especially the ones in a race.

Few years ago I was driving down a "B" road. There were two small side roads off it, foarming a cross roads, I obviously had right of way. Cylist gets to give way line on side road, ignores it and pedals out straight in front of me. Luckily I wasn't going fast, but if I was I would have knocked him off. Two or three miles down the road there was another cross roads exactly the same as the above. More cyclists pedalling out of the junction, but this time with a marshall. Decide to pull over to warn him about loony cyclist that nearly caused an accident, opened my window to speak to him, and all the arrogant g!t said was that I can't park there beacuse there's a cycle race in progress! Told him about loony cyclist, then merely got a grumped reply that there should have been a marshall at the crossing.

My local cycle club are also somewhat of a pain. They insist on pedalling down a narrow bendy country lane, almost in the middle of the road. You cannot over take them, and they are very lucky not to get knocked off by an oncoming car in the middle of the road. Then the best bit is when they are some kind of time trial, get to the turning around point, and just swerve in front of your car!
 
Nothing will now convince me that a horsy woman is not some kind of potentially screaming nutter, unless the opposite is proven, as I've now encountered so many.

Whereas in the horse world, I've encountered so many people that just want you to do stuff for them and then who drop you when they find out you won't.

...some horseriders, who seem to have little knowledge and perspective on the outside world.

On the other hand, I can't argue with any of that!! :D
 
Sadly, it is a fact of life nowadays that in whatever hobby or field you have an interest in or partake in...there are bad examples and rude examples and nice examples from each group.
We should not tar everyone with the same brush. There seems to be a constant war between horse riders, walkers, cyclists, off-roaders, bikers etc etc where can be a little intolerant of each others passion.
I am sure the event had signs up somewhere as it would be impossible for the cyclists to know what route to take otherwise and there should be signs up to warn other road users.

I fall into several groups - runner, walker, road cyclist and horse rider (I wear lycra for all!!!) and I try to treat others as I would like to be treated myself and abide by the highway code too. We are not all the same or all rude because we fall into a specific group and I have met rude people that do all types of hobby - horse riders included.
It is a shame that a question about signage has to turn into a slagging session for a particular group of enthusiastic individuals...whatever their interest.
 
What I find difficult to grasp is that although racing 'on the public highway' is not permitted unless the road is closed, then why are cycle races taking part on the open roads? :confused:
Time trials are also illegal.... apart from cycles it seems :rolleyes:

After all, we cant run races for cars or motorbikes on them, nor are folk allowed to race horses (but some parts of the community do ;) )
 
on a more lighter note, do you know any farmers with a tractor and a rear slurry spreader, wouldn't it be nice to maybe accidentally (not on purpose honest gov) switch on the spreader with a whole herd of them in Lycra behind you just image the smell:rolleyes: (not suggesting you do this but just think of the picture)

I love this - or maybe set the sprayer off just before they cycle past so the road/track is covered in lovely smelly stuff!???
 
We frequently have cycle clubs using our local roads for time trials/races etc and most recently we had a charity ride which included a drink station being set up just around the corner from our yard on a very small narrow road in a gateway. It consisted of a large van, table with flapping table cover and a huge violently flapping flag to alert the cyclists. As it was also a very windy day the flag and table cloth were flutting and flapping madly. Usually my horse is very good with pretty much everything we meet on the roads but this she did take exception to - we'd already had about 20 cyclists rush past as we left the yard but the sight of all of them and the flapping flags just around the corner did upset her somewhat. We were then subjected to varying amounts of abuse and 'stupid horse!' type comments as I was trying to persuade her to pass. I was absolutely furious but managed to keep my mouth shut. Fortunately I did manage to get past on the way out and on the way back, but not without a major fight although sadly we didn't actually manage to squash any bikes or their riders.

I do appreciate that they have to go somewhere and that major A-roads are likely to be even less safe but a bit of consideration for those of us that live in the area and a few manners really wouldn't go amiss.
 
I am quite surprised that more cyclists don't seem to be concerned at 500 kg of horse heading in their direction and their damage potential rather than just seeing them as something in their way :eek: :).

The people I get annoyed at are those that decide to cycle on the pavement, on the inside of me rather than go around (adults, perfectly capable of being on the big bad highway) which, if they don't shout rather increases the chance of said horse spooking into the traffic. I have however nicely pointed out that horses are less used to things passing them on that side, let alone stealth bikes.
 
I dislike cyclists. Around my way, there are tons of cycle paths, yet they cycle in the middle of the road! sometimes making it impossible to overtake! it drives me crazy.

When I ride out however I do find some of them are very good, they will ring the bell or shout out a warning. I always say thanks and let them overtake. However you do get the odd ones who feel its ok to overtake on a narrow lane, going about 30mph! then they moan when my Horse spooks.

I will never forget an accident that happened in Epping Forest. I was riding an RS Horse at the time (helping to escort a RS hack) we were waiting in a line to cross the road. Suddlenly the Horse I was on started getting very fidgety, I looked around and saw 2 cyclists coming. I smiled and them and said "would you mind waiting for us to cross the road please, my Horse is getting a bit upset and it's too narrow to overtake" they carried on coming, Horse was really getting into a panic now so I said "please stop" and they carried on. Horse kicked out (she missed) and then bolted onto the road! thank godness there was no cars! then they still overtook me, whilst smirking.
 
Would that be the same as riders out hacking who don't pay road tax then?

As I've had far more abuse from horse riders than cyclists over the years, and I drive very slowly.

Yep, the police get notified when a cycle race is taking place. The roads aren't only for you to enjoy your sport, but others too. I'm a bit puzzled as to how cyclists would be able to race at speed on narrow lanes without direction arrows pointing out which way for them to take...

Speaking as someone who has competed in mountain biking and road cycling, and also BS and showing, give me cyclists any day. Far more pleasant, less abusive, well adjusted people than your average nutjob horsewoman! (although I have to admit I've just come back from a day spent with a bunch of spoilt "showjumping princess avec mummy", and my views may currently be slightly biased).

This!!
I don't understand why people get so angry with cyclists. I've never ever EVER had a bad experience with them and I see one (or more) nearly every time I ride and frequently see races going on.
As others have said on different subject - the world doesn't stop for you, just because you're on a horse or in a car.
I think the world would be much better if we all just gave each other a bit of time.
 
There seems to be a constant war between horse riders, walkers, cyclists, off-roaders, bikers etc etc where can be a little intolerant of each others passion.

I think racing cyclists get by far the most criticism than any other group because of their rudeness and more than a few are quite aggressive.

The local motor bikers are a friendly crowd in our village, never a problem as are the vintage car enthusiasts, both of whom manage to have rallies that include and entertain locals.

Why are the cyclists so insular and intolerant to other road users ?
 
I dislike cyclists. Around my way, there are tons of cycle paths, yet they cycle in the middle of the road! sometimes making it impossible to overtake! it drives me crazy.

I really do find comments like this very uneducated. Believe it or not, in certain rather more civilised parts of the world, bikes are used as transport! Yes! And in fact, in other stunning news, sometimes cyclists want to go places where there are no cycle paths! Really! People in fact often take exercise, on bikes, without driving with the bikes in a car and unpacking them to cycle on a little artificial created path!

In Holland and Germany, if you said you hated or disliked cyclists, you'd almost certainly be saying that you hated your own brother, sister, partner, mother, daughter, father, etc..

And in other breaking news, you shouldn't overtake when driving until its safe to do so, or until the road ahead is clear...
 
Actually, despite being a rider, my original beef was actually as a driver. And if you do not believe the speeds the cyclists get up to, please do feel free to try to drive anywhere near Polesden Lacey or Westhumble at the weekend. Ranmore is a heavily utilised area so agree we all need to get on but this applies to the road cyclists BIG!!! time. We get quite a few motorbikes and can say that in 12 years or so I have been up at my yard, never had a problem with them. Or walkers. Or mountain bikers. I will however start taking note of jerseys etc on the sound advice and will start contaciting the police and the clubs. I dot not accept the arguement that we should show more support. Perhaps I should say that we have continual issues with road cyclists pretty much EVERY weekend now. If not a race, then a trial. I did shut one cyclist up whn he shouted at me as he was "in a race" "grand" says I, so you have registered it with Surrey County Council.? Silence.

If it was rare we probably would watch. As its never ending and rude I have lost any delight in watching them. And yes will post up pictures of the next road signs put up by the locals!
 
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About 15 years ago a case went to court which involved a road race (cyclists) which when asked to stop by a couple of horses they refused to do so causing the horses to bolt and throw their riders on to the road who both suffered serious injuries.

The organisers of the race where taken to court and the judge made it quite clear that if a horse rider requested that the race should be stoped so that they could have time to get off the road then the cyclists must comply. He went even further saying that where races where held on a public highway (this includes public rights of way) then the race should have an escort at the front and rear who would stop the race if they approached horse riders.
 
I will tell what happens. You are happily hacking along down the road and then a car drives at you, down the centre of the road - he is the lead marshall - he has lights flashing on top of his car. Behind him is a group of cyclists, who cover both sides of the road.

This has been our experience as well, although we weren't on horseback, we were in the horsebox coming back from a competition. We were driving down a country lane when a car comes towards us with flashing lights and a horde of cyclists spread densely over both sides of the road and expecting us to get out of the way!

Our family are certainly not anti cyclist or anti sport - OH does tons of cycling and competes in triathlons himself, and daughter cycles regularly as well. We have no objection to cyclists who obey the rules of the road and encounter many out hacking with no problem. However, these racing cyclists are another thing entirely and I echo the comments from the other poster who wonders how they manage to race on the roads whilst other road users are not permitted to do so. If these races are going to be held then I think the roads need to be officially closed for the purpose OR the marshalls ensure that cyclists stick to the rules of the road. Whilst there are inconsiderate individuals in most sports, it is a bit off when the actual organisers themselves condone the breaking of the Highway Code!
 
I really do find comments like this very uneducated. Believe it or not, in certain rather more civilised parts of the world, bikes are used as transport! Yes! And in fact, in other stunning news, sometimes cyclists want to go places where there are no cycle paths! Really! People in fact often take exercise, on bikes, without driving with the bikes in a car and unpacking them to cycle on a little artificial created path!

In Holland and Germany, if you said you hated or disliked cyclists, you'd almost certainly be saying that you hated your own brother, sister, partner, mother, daughter, father, etc..

And in other breaking news, you shouldn't overtake when driving until its safe to do so, or until the road ahead is clear...

But I'm not talking about other parts of the world. I am talking about my town. Which is full of cycle paths!! they are also very well maintained so no need to use the road.

Agree about the overtaking, which is why it drives me crazy to be stuck behind a bike on a busy road, when theres a perfectly good cycle track that runs along side of it.

I live in a busy town, my Horse is in a quiet village. The town is full of cycle paths however the village has hardly any. So they have no choice but to cycle on the roads. As mentioned before, the cyclists are much more considerate then the town cyclists. So these I do not have a problem with.
 
But I'm not talking about other parts of the world. I am talking about my town. Which is full of cycle paths!! they are also very well maintained so no need to use the road.

Agree about the overtaking, which is why it drives me crazy to be stuck behind a bike on a busy road, when theres a perfectly good cycle track that runs along side of it.

I live in a busy town, my Horse is in a quiet village. The town is full of cycle paths however the village has hardly any. So they have no choice but to cycle on the roads. As mentioned before, the cyclists are much more considerate then the town cyclists. So these I do not have a problem with.

This ^ Totally selfish and inconsiderate - they should get an instant fine if caught by the police. Why they ride all over the road when there is a nice cycle path right next to it is a mystery. I would love it if roads had horseriding paths and would use them all the time! Cyclists don't realise how lucky they are. And in town they ride all over the pavements intimidating pedestrians as well!!

Saying that though, when I have been riding on the south downs we meet many happy cheerful and polite cyclists enjoying the countryside too - unlike some of the miserable dog walkers out there the cyclists are very nice indeed!
 
As you can see from the following link Mithras, my town has a huge ammount of cycle tracks.

http://www.harlow.gov.uk/pdf/cycling map leaflet april 11 .pdf

This sentence is copied from Wikipedia

Harlow has one of the most extensive cycle track networks in the country, connecting all areas of the town to the town centre and industrial areas.

So yes when cyclists have access to these cycle paths and still insist on cycling in the middle of the road, I have the right to be annoyed about it!!!
 
As you can see from the following link Mithras, my town has a huge ammount of cycle tracks.

http://www.harlow.gov.uk/pdf/cycling map leaflet april 11 .pdf

This sentence is copied from Wikipedia

Harlow has one of the most extensive cycle track networks in the country, connecting all areas of the town to the town centre and industrial areas.

So yes when cyclists have access to these cycle paths and still insist on cycling in the middle of the road, I have the right to be annoyed about it!!!

Look, I'm really not that interested in Harlow (been there...) (however if you went elsewhere in the world you might gain a wider perspective...). Nevertheless, if you aren't sporty, perhaps it needs to be pointed out that when cycling, not everyone wishes to cycle slowly at a speed suitable for a funeral procession/cycle path. Cycle paths can also be bumpy/badly maintained/strewn with glass, and they don't always go where you want to go. Its not a legal requirement to cycle on a cycle path, cyclists are entitled to full use of the road, and no, you do not have the right to be annoyed about it. Cycling on a road is perfectly legal in this country. You are not the police, neither are you the legislature, and you cannot control other's choices.

All of this is perfectly self evident. Are people really so disinterested in exercise that they are unaware of how to cycle and what it involves? Is taking exercise on a bike a rarity?
 
I've never had a bad experience with cyclists - the very worst that's happened is I've jumped a bit when one has over taken without ringing his bell :D
 
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