Do you ever learn to do things one way then get told it's wrong and relearn it?

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The info in the vid is probably not the most accurate etc but it made me think. This was how the first RS (non BSH reg.) I went to when I moved to Notts recommended dealing with horses refusing to jump and how they taught clients to get horses on the bit (this 'saw' type way was the first method I learned :(). My current RS have taught me a better way to deal with refusals and getting the horse rounded and on the bit but I feel bad that I used to ride like that :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkxOp_xfVEg&NR=1 (vid basically shows horses refusing to jump being smacked with crops and being yanked in the mouth :eek: - now imagine 6 10yr olds in a lesson being told this is how you do it)

Don't mean for this to get into debate but it made me think how much I improved after joining my current RS.

Pointless post really:D
 
Haven't watched the vid, but yes, there are always many 'schools of thought' on ways to do things.

First instructor for D1 started to teach her and LC to jump. Beat him over with a stick. Last lesson that was! Called a halt straight away. LC went on to learn properly and came to love to jump.
 
I didn't learn how to rise in trot properly until I was 17. I was always told to push up through my feet and not by using my stomach... So much tidier and more comfortable now!

Everyone has different ways and methods with horses, there are more opinions and experts than I have had hot dinners out there.

Best advice I have been given and would pass on? Do what you feel is right for you and your horse. What works for one will not work on them all. Take on board the information that you are given and store it as you never know when it may be useful even the daft stuff! Listen closely to your horse, they will tell you what is right and wrong from them.
 
Must say that video has sickened me, but has given me further insight into the way one of my horses reacts when he has blip sj'ing. It is apparent he has been beaten in the past, but when he came to us he would shake his head like mad when he got stressed, he is not a 'head shaker' and his behaviour is now completely different, felt sorry for him before now even more so:(

Can you pm me the names of the riding schools you use, the 'sawing' sounds familiar.

There are many different ways of teaching, some suit some horses and riders, but not others, personally I prefer a gentler approach.
 
I was taught to "saw" the horses on to the bit as a working pupil at a well known riding school near York :(
Granted I still struggle getting my horse to work properly now but I try not use brute force!
 
Paddydou said:
I didn't learn how to rise in trot properly until I was 17. I was always told to push up through my feet and not by using my stomach... So much tidier and more comfortable now!

Everyone has different ways and methods with horses, there are more opinions and experts than I have had hot dinners out there.

Best advice I have been given and would pass on? Do what you feel is right for you and your horse. What works for one will not work on them all. Take on board the information that you are given and store it as you never know when it may be useful even the daft stuff! Listen closely to your horse, they will tell you what is right and wrong from them.
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I still can't do sitting trot with no stirrups without tensing up and going all wobbly yet I can do it fine in canter, think it's all the bouncing :rolleyes:
That's really good advice :D

boogles - No idea if he's teaching his horses latin :confused:
 
I must admit I've always been really lucky with the teachers I've had because they have all used natural horsemanship rather than favouring the crop and none of the horses that are used our yard (as it use to be a working riding school) have any behavioural problems but at the same time they know that we won't put up with napping for the sake of it.

We were always taught that you ask nicely first if they ignore the instructions you ask firmly if they still ignore the instructions then a quick hard kick and a firm voice command follows and this method has never been a problem for them and they tend to do it the first time when you next ask them.

We have all different types of horses at our yard what with it once being a working RS, some (obviously ones that were never used for clients) have had some really bad experiences where they have been hit repeatedly and as a result won't let anyone on their back without a fight which is such a shame because it is a waste of a horse, and what for? a rosette? a pat on the back? its rediculous!

If I approach a jump and he refuses I keep leg on and circle him round for another go, I know this is probably not 'ideal' for those who actually compete but I find it helps him stay calm and we make it the next time without panicing that the scary pole monsters will eat him lol :)

I think each teacher has their own style of teaching though, I mean my old teacher use to moan about my hands being too far up his neck and my toes and heals not being in the right position.
Whereas my new teacher says I have a really good classical seat but my hands do tend to go up his neck on occassions depending on the disipline :rolleyes:

another one my old teacher taught me was to keep my legs on all the time and my knees tight to the body and when keeping them on the track in the school to open the rein, But my new teacher teaches me to open my knees up pulling them away from the knee rolls a bit more and when keeping them on track just keep pressure on the outside rein without opening it.

All of these 'new' teachings are better for my style of riding in my opinion and I feel like I am communicating with him far better now than I was with my other teacher, I feel like we are now connected rather than before when it was a constant battle of wills!

I think the bottom line is that everyone learns and teaches differently and that sometimes certain things are better for a certain horse and rider.... but no way would I ever condone that kind of ruthless behaviour like that of the video you posted :mad:

I wouldn't feel bad for learning it that way first because you wern't to know the damage it can do, you put your trust in the teacher that they are teaching you a safe and harmless method when dealing with refusals etc unfortunately they didn't but I'm guessing you wouldn't use that method in the future ;)
 
Can't watch the video as am at work, so no comments there.

I do remember, however, as a kid being taught at a riding school to "grip with your knees". (We're talking late 1970s here). And you know even to this day I still sometimes have a tendency to grip with my knees in canter - a habit I can avoid 99% of the time, but have never been able to completely eradicate.
 
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