Do you own a headshaker...

No, I don't think she wants a new horse, she wants you to look at her website where she says she cures headshaking! Come on Moet's mummy, give us a reference for the scientific research that has been done and proved your claim of a cure!
 
Well, I'm sorry to say I won't be checking that out anytime soon, I'm sure that if there was any scientific proof of this "method" working, it would have been well reported and lauded as a huge breakthrough. Pffft! :rolleyes::mad:
 
I've made my views clear in the veterinary section.

If you want our money, we want test results.
 
mtj said:
I've made my views clear in the veterinary section.

If you want our money, we want test results.
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I'm with you on that one! As I said before, if your "cure" was so successful, surely it would be recommended by vets and we would be reading articles in all manner of publications. Instead you are using a public forum to advertise. Makes no sense to me. I guess Moets owners were delighted to have him back "cured" though
 
smokey said:
:D:D, I suspect that she does, it may be a "perk" you know, cure a horse, keep the horse! I imagine there are queues of grateful owners flocking to her door right now.;)
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Mmm, sounds like it has worked once already. Moets owners are mentioned but her user name is Moets mummy :D :D :D
 
Why don't you ask the originator of the product to give you the research papers that prove the theory and that it cures headshaking? If you were able to do that you might get a better response here. Otherwise I'm afraid, constantly telling us about one horse's response and the wonder 'cure it' product doesn't carry much weight.
You want to be taken seriously? Then produce the scientific evidence!
 
Moet'smummy said:
Moet has been given to me. He was originally bought when he was 10 months old by Gina Newman to event. She is the DC of the Sandhurst Pony Club. She gave up trying to do anything with him by the time he was 4 because he could only be ridden for 3 months of the year (over the winter). She sold him to Wills Hancock a polo player who over winters his ponies with her. He knew about Moet's headshaking but for some reason thought that he might be ok playing polo ! He wasn't. He's spent many years since in a field and last September he gave him to me on the understanding that I would never sell him, otherwise he was going to be put down. I met Wills through a hunting friend who told me about Moet.
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This doesn't explain why on every thread you have asked," does anyone have a head- shaker they want to loan out?" surely if you were only interested in helping you would be saying something like " I think I may have a solution for head shaking, anyone interested, PM me" ? :confused: and I'm still interested to hear your qualifications and research?
 
Moet'smummy said:
This site does not allow me to name the product or advertise it.

I have not asked for horses on loan and I have offered to help people treat their own horses, or I would be happy to take on a headshaker, treat it myself and re home it if anyone wanted me to. It would be subject to the same arrangement as Moet in that it would not be for re sale.

Moet is actually one of many horses that have been successfully treated.

If people aren't interested that's fine. All I have done is try to be helpful.

One thing's for sure, horses are a lot easier to deal with than people !
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And again I 'll ask, where is your research, and what are your credentials? Or do you just expect people to pack their horses and/or money to you without any evidence? If Moët is one of many, can we see a testimonials from satisfied owners? One things for sure, when I ask my horse a question, she answers a lot quicker than you, and she's honest!:mad:rolleyes:
 
Moet'smummy said:
Smokey, as I've said if people aren't interested, that's fine. To be honest I would only expect people with a headshaker to be interested and you don't have one, so with the greatest respect I will not respond further to you.
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When I was a little girl, I read every book I could find on horses, didn't have one till I was 40. Knowledge doesn't have to be practical you know.
I don't have a horse with grass sickness either, but I read a thread about it with interest. I was asking out of interest , as you appear to be quite arrogant about your knowledge of this condition, but have consistently refused to give any information about research or qualifications. As I have said, you could give that information by PM, but you seem reluctant to do that. :confused:
 
If anyone does know the website selling the snake oil, sorry, the electrolyte patches which cure headshaking could you pm it to me please, I'd love to have a look at their 'research'

rhino :)

ETA check, I've just found it :D :D Always a bad sign when a site selling a 'medical' product has no research tab but merely a testimonials one...
 
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rhino said:
If anyone does know the website selling the snake oil, sorry, the electrolyte patches which cure headshaking could you pm it to me please, I'd love to have a look at their 'research'

rhino :)

ETA check, I've just found it :D :D Always a bad sign when a site selling a 'medical' product has no research tab but merely a testimonials one...
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:D:D:D snake oil!
 
Would be very interested to hear how people get on - it may well have worked with Moet but lots of people have tried lots of different things with headshaking - and have perhaps come on here and said this supplement or this treatment works for my horse. But they don't claim to be able to"cure" headshaking. It's the most upsetting thing to try and deal with and so the attitude that you come with is so wrong. Has it occured to you that its possibly moving Moet to yours and therefore away from a trigger allergy that has actually reduced his headshaking??? Has it occured to you that you happen to have hit on something that works for one horse or maybe a few but that doesn't make it a cure?? Just like all the other things that people try will work for some and not others and therefore are worth trying in each case but aren't a cure
 
Wiz said:
Would be very interested to hear how people get on - it may well have worked with Moet but lots of people have tried lots of different things with headshaking - and have perhaps come on here and said this supplement or this treatment works for my horse. But they don't claim to be able to"cure" headshaking. It's the most upsetting thing to try and deal with and so the attitude that you come with is so wrong. Has it occured to you that its possibly moving Moet to yours and therefore away from a trigger allergy that has actually reduced his headshaking??? Has it occured to you that you happen to have hit on something that works for one horse or maybe a few but that doesn't make it a cure?? Just like all the other things that people try will work for some and not others and therefore are worth trying in each case but aren't a cure
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This. But she's claiming that Moët is only one of many cured by this method! It is a bit snake oil to me, and her lack of willingness to give any validation to her claims is just confusing.:confused:
 
Oh that site is funny. How you can claim in one breath that your product is the 'Holy Grail of Pharmacology' and then state that it is entirely 'drug-free' - hmm, have you actually looked up what pharmacology means?

Of course being 'entirely natural' means that they can attempt to circumvent having to actually prove any safety or efficacy :rolleyes:

I am very interested in the 100% success claims, there are plenty of people on the anhidrosis yahoo group and on COTH who would disagree ;)

'Testimonials' seem to have been taken from forums such as this, not even giving real names and some of the links aren't active. Also, what you are calling vet reports, aren't.

Not one scrap of evidence offered on the website or on a literature search.
 
So there's more than one UK based site selling electrolyte patches as a 'cure' for headshaking then? Very odd, since numerous patent applications have been submitted?
 
Moet'smummy said:
Hi Wiz
Moet did shake here prior to treatment, so I do know that this yard/area has not had anything to do with his cure. Also, I take him away to other areas as he is competing now, and he is ok everywhere else.
As I've said earlier I do realize that some horses problems may stem from tumors/teeth etc. I've never claimed that the patches can cure that. They also won't cure allergies.
In some cases it has be be a process of elimination, and obviously in Moet's case the problem was damaged hair bulbs. That's easy to fix, so for me and Moet it was worth doing. If I had another headshaker I would do the same. If it didn't work I would take the view that the cause was something more sinister, unless it could be managed with a net.
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Ok fair enough - his might not have been allergy related but horses do either start or stop headshaking from being in a different environment.
You have found a solution that works for one of the triggers of headshaking - Please just share it as such and not keep saying you have a cure. Owners of headshakers are desperate to help them and express your experiences in the right way and the way everyone else does and you could help people.
 
rhino said:
Oh that site is funny. How you can claim in one breath that your product is the 'Holy Grail of Pharmacology' and then state that it is entirely 'drug-free' - hmm, have you actually looked up what pharmacology means?

Of course being 'entirely natural' means that they can attempt to circumvent having to actually prove any safety or efficacy :rolleyes:

I am very interested in the 100% success claims, there are plenty of people on the anhidrosis yahoo group and on COTH who would disagree ;)

'Testimonials' seem to have been taken from forums such as this, not even giving real names and some of the links aren't active. Also, what you are calling vet reports, aren't.

Not one scrap of evidence offered on the website or on a literature search.
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Rhino, You are a fab detective! Where did you find these sites?
 
rhino said:
So there's more than one UK based site selling electrolyte patches as a 'cure' for headshaking then? Very odd, since numerous patent applications have been submitted?
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Just did a google search for hair bulbs and snake oil, I cant seem to find this site. Anyone want to PM me :D :D
 
rockysmum said:
Just did a google search for hair bulbs and snake oil, I cant seem to find this site. Anyone want to PM me :D :D
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:D:D:D:D:D:. PM Moetsmummy,she has invited interested parties to contact her, and indeed she appears to have had a fantastic response. Or so she claims. She's good at the claims thing!
 
smokey said:
:D:D:D:D:D:. PM Moetsmummy,she has invited interested parties to contact her, and indeed she appears to have had a fantastic response. Or so she claims. She's good at the claims thing!
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She has become the ghost in the machine! There are quotes of posts from moet'smummy, but no posts, and she has gone from the community list. SO if you PM her then its going into the ether!

I do remember some of the history of the patches as I was, maybe still am, a member of the yahoo headshakers group. When they made their entrance about 7? years ago they were not well received. It seemed too simple - stick on a bandage and the horse is healed. I think that the aspect that dealt with a race horse's nose bleeds might have had some positive results. But as mentioned above, anhydrosis ( failure to sweat) is a symptom and not a cause in some headshakers and it is hard to understand how patches with electrolytes would cure when they are dealing with a symptom. Certainly more research should be done before claims are made of cure, I feel. I will try to find some of the relevant details from the yahoo site - always being careful since I can remember that the originator of the patches was quite fierce and several threats of sueing were flung about to anyone casting doubts on his invention! But there are so many triggers which can make a horse headshake; rain and wind on the face, bright light, touch on the face, pollen and dusts, etc etc. But the cause or causes? Tooth or sinus problems, ear mites, damage to the poll and small tight boney junction where the trigeminal nerve comes through, and on and on. Latest theories look to adrenal malfunction so maybe the anhydrosis would tie in here as would the thought by someone in New Zealand ( where headshaking is of epidemic proportion) that high levels of potassium are contributory.
The one thing that I think helps ... having support from owners of headshakers on a forum through what can be the toughest of journeys.
 
HappyHooves said:
She has become the ghost in the machine! There are quotes of posts from moet'smummy, but no posts, and she has gone from the community list. SO if you PM her then its going into the ether!

I do remember some of the history of the patches as I was, maybe still am, a member of the yahoo headshakers group. When they made their entrance about 7? years ago they were not well received. It seemed too simple - stick on a bandage and the horse is healed. I think that the aspect that dealt with a race horse's nose bleeds might have had some positive results. But as mentioned above, anhydrosis ( failure to sweat) is a symptom and not a cause in some headshakers and it is hard to understand how patches with electrolytes would cure when they are dealing with a symptom. Certainly more research should be done before claims are made of cure, I feel. I will try to find some of the relevant details from the yahoo site - always being careful since I can remember that the originator of the patches was quite fierce and several threats of sueing were flung about to anyone casting doubts on his invention! But there are so many triggers which can make a horse headshake; rain and wind on the face, bright light, touch on the face, pollen and dusts, etc etc. But the cause or causes? Tooth or sinus problems, ear mites, damage to the poll and small tight boney junction where the trigeminal nerve comes through, and on and on. Latest theories look to adrenal malfunction so maybe the anhydrosis would tie in here as would the thought by someone in New Zealand ( where headshaking is of epidemic proportion) that high levels of potassium are contributory.
The one thing that I think helps ... having support from owners of headshakers on a forum through what can be the toughest of journeys.
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More info on this than in all of Moets mummy's! Very informative, thanks. I wouldn't worry about threats to sue, I think you have to have a valid reason for that! Will check out the web sites later, could do with some light entertainment!:)
 
I presume Moetsmummy has been banned for advertising again. Last night one of her posts included an email adress that, guess what, gave the name of her web site.
 
You're an unpleasant group of people. It looks as though Moet's Mummy has been banned and all she's been doing is try to help genuine people help their horses.
FYI it does work and my horse is prove of that, but you lot can't see the wood for the trees.
What a bunch of numpties !!!
 
sapphire'smummy said:
You're an unpleasant group of people. It looks as though Moet's Mummy has been banned and all she's been doing is try to help genuine people help their horses.
FYI it does work and my horse is prove of that, but you lot can't see the wood for the trees.
What a bunch of numpties !!!
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Oh dear. Not feeling guilty. Oops
 
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