Do you reconise my boy (grey gelding) or did u own me ??

thank you all so much... trust me if i ever win the lotto, i'd have a massive yard full of crulty case horses,i love it knowing i have helped.. the horse i had b4 was as bad as casper and hes now lovely (im not a dealer i just didnt get on with my old horse so sold him after 4 years he was a pacer and hated my yard and i wanted to show loclay and couldnt with rocky)

Libbylou its KWPN his passport i have emaild them (cant afford a phone call lol) i explained to them the situation and a lady messaged back and said whats his chip number but he isn't microchipped as when i had his bloodtests done i asked my vet to scan him and he didnt have any and then after saying tht i never got a reply?

Shilasdair, i have thought this aswell, i'd end up hunting them down and killing them if i was being told what had been done to him :'( just the basic would be nice

i didnt ask the dealer for detials he comes across as he wouldnt give it to me any way and he prob wont have the detials, im at my mums 2nigth but when i go home tom i will get it and have another proper look through (i only live next door ut the snow is mental and its cold lol and im in my pj's lol) xx
 
The KWPN people are fantastically helpful. If he isn't microchipped it may be that it is because he is a mature gentleman who was around before it was required. I'd email them again and ask them when microchipping became a requirement as that may help you 'date' him. Also try clipping his brand markings out to see if they become clearer and send a photo of the brands in the same email to the KWPN people - they may just be able to help.

They were fantastic with a horse on our yard that came from a dealer. He came with a Weatherbys passport saying he was a 10yold Irish TB but he was scanned while we had a vet on the yard and we got a chip number - to cut a long story short he is very well bred KWPN in his teenage years with a wonderful competition history and has now been issued with his rightful passport.

Good luck with finding out more, it is possible to do it and enjoy your horse. Well done.
 
Sorry, I haven't got any info about him but I just want to say well done for taking him on and you have done such a fantastic job with him! He looks so happy now! :)
 
How old does the vet think Casper is when they looked at his teeth? He looks to me like he's been really well schooled in the past - just the way he carries himself - such a shame horses end up in the state he was when you got him. Well done for taking him on and giving him a chance that he might not have had at life. It's so much more rewarding knowing that you've managed to turn a horse's life around. I hope you find some answers.
 
samandcasper said:
thank you all so much... trust me if i ever win the lotto, i'd have a massive yard full of crulty case horses,i love it knowing i have helped.. the horse i had b4 was as bad as casper and hes now lovely (im not a dealer i just didnt get on with my old horse so sold him after 4 years he was a pacer and hated my yard and i wanted to show loclay and couldnt with rocky)

Libbylou its KWPN his passport i have emaild them (cant afford a phone call lol) i explained to them the situation and a lady messaged back and said whats his chip number but he isn't microchipped as when i had his bloodtests done i asked my vet to scan him and he didnt have any and then after saying tht i never got a reply?

Shilasdair, i have thought this aswell, i'd end up hunting them down and killing them if i was being told what had been done to him :'( just the basic would be nice

i didnt ask the dealer for detials he comes across as he wouldnt give it to me any way and he prob wont have the detials, im at my mums 2nigth but when i go home tom i will get it and have another proper look through (i only live next door ut the snow is mental and its cold lol and im in my pj's lol) xx
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Its still worth asking the dealer you know, he may come across reluctant to provide details but unless you ask you will never know!

He carries himself well in your video, get the impression someone somewhere has put alot of work into him at some point over the course of his life.
 
Hey

Sorry I haven't got anything to add about your boy other than to say there is a definiately a wee place in heaven for you for taking him on and caring so well for him. Full marks for sure.
 
nativetyponies said:
just gone back to your original thread in missing/info forum..

i stand by what i said there..

the 87 is, i'm sure, the year of his birth, making him 23 yrs old..

to the cackhanded "fresh" brand.. it is probably a meat horse brand...and the "lucky" chap was bought by one of the not-so-nice Dealers that tend to frequent this island..

it is a good money-maker for them to pop over to Holland/Belgium and buy from the meat queue's...this would explain his passport's missing pages..as it would be in there that he was destined for the Abattoir

He's a lucky chap...and i agree with Shils...just enjoy him..and look after him

He deserves it
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On the previous post in Trace/stolen, I mentioned a story which had made H&H as a plea for identification of a piebald mare bought as a KPWN import. It transpired that the mare was blind in one eye, was a great deal older than her passport and at some time had suffered broken ribs. She may have been an eventer who had suffered in a bad fall and gone through the meat markets only to fetch up here.
As I have said before this horse, whatever his history or breeding has now got the home he deserves and the before and after photographs are testimony to his owners devotion.
 
OP, having owned a cruelty case and found out what had happened to her... I have to echo Shils..

Enjoy him.

Give him the best years of his life.

And when he's ready, let him go knowing that he once again knows the love of humans.

Because I still can't get my head round why someone would starve such a fabulous mare.

What I found really hard was that I was able to trace my mares stud and a HHOer provided me with details of her breeders.
I never got in touch, because no breeder should know one of their foals ended up starving to death and ending up at a charity :(
 
nativetyponies
can't see what u mean by him being 23, his left branding says 78!! and on the right side it is a 35 next to the weird thing with the L in it.. i got him when it was hot and he has no coat at all when i bath him it shows it just the same but slight more clear its ( L ) 35 on the right side then on the left its 78 ??

rubyredshoes.. i will re email them the pics tom and ask about the age of microchipping :) x

Holly Hocks, the dearler told me 11 and with out me saying anything i asked a vet to look and she said she cant be 100% sure but on what she knows around 11-13 and few well brained ppl on the yard have looked and said he isn't old as one has a 17 year old mare and his teeth are nothing like hers ?? and yer he rides lovely i have watch a friend riding him and i didnt want her to get off he looked amazing as soon as u ask him to canter his head is in with out u asking him,

and thank you to all others who commented on him looking well :D
 
ahhh yer i wrote 87 on the picture on that thread aswell but changed it i must have forgot to change it on the writing, if u look at the pic on this thread in page one u can see it says 78,,, i didnt mean my last comment back to you to sound like i was being rude as i wasn't
 
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MARKING ON HIS LEFT SIDE
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Sound plausible to me OP. I know you probably don't want to think he's that age but don't worry about it, he's clearly doing a lovely job for you and I for one am very glad he's with you, if only they could talk eh? Enjoy and spoil him xxx
 
samandcasper

I have a parallel story to yours. I found a horse that was the answer to my dreams, a much needed complete confidence giver after a nasty riding accident. They guy who owned him was dodgy enough and the dealer he's brought him from even dodgier. i was told he was 13 and I loaned him for several months first, long story short his passport had been fiddled and he was in fact 19. Like you I could find nothing of his true past and also like Casper, my boy had at some point had a lot of professional work put into him. His body told a story of some previous accident, and he quickly began to show signs of arthritis in his front fetlocks. Despite all this I knew that he was my boy and I still bought him for £1,000 (it was that or leaving him in the hands of his careless, ignorant owner) so he came home with me and it has been the greatest love story of my life. I spent a frustrating year trying to find out more about his past but now its irrelevant, all I care about is giving my boy the best possible life and making his last years the best he's had. My relationship with him goes beyond words, he is wise and clever and funny and cheeky - and twice the weight he was when I found him. He is part of my being and I guess this is how it is for you - so as others have said, enjoy every minute of every day you spend with him. Like my boy he looks a gentle soul, he will teach you so much. XX
 
samandcasper said:
hi ya i have tried googling every possiable word to find brandings but havent got anything yet lol im gonna google a hungarian grey now see what i can find :) thanks for that xx
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If you can get pictures of the brandings clipped out I have contact details for Hungarian brandings. I had 2 Hungarian nonias' with brandings and they were able to trace breeding and history.
 
Also, do you have the passport number from the passport? If so they should be able to send you a duplicate.

Also the 78 could also be 7B. When I was working out my horses brands you have to think of all the possible combinations. Good luck
 
I have just had a look at your photos and he looks such a lovable chap. As far as age is concerned I would not worry because if he can do with ease what you ask and he maintains conditions with no stiffness and arthritis then he could probably go on for many many years to come.. age is only a number, my mare was retired at 16 due to arthritis, but my mates horse is 22yrs and still hunts.

I think you are both really lucky to have found each other, he s very hansome, I can see why you love him, I would be very proud, he has a wise look about him. You look utterly in love..
 
i wouldn't be bothered ig he was 23 or 103 as long as hes mine thats all that matters, he can still ride lovely vet hasnt found anything wrong with him so all is good, but i still cant understsand why people keep say 23 when its 78 so that would make him nearly 40 lol and there is no way a horse of that age and after a revolting life could bounce back so well as he has with me as u can see in the video he isnt lazy or sluggish hes quite up beat and forward going :)

yer someone onmy yard said it looked like a B as i bath him and he was very slat and he had no winter coat,

Katd66 the pics was taken when he has a summer coat? now i cant see it because hes got all fluffy :) and i dont have clippers lol

finnywinny, :) ur story is lovely and wel done to u aswell xx

i will go and getthe passport in a min and see what i can fine but to be honest i havent a clue what i will be looking for including where to look for passport number as so many pages are missing xx
 
samandcasper said:
i wouldn't be bothered ig he was 23 or 103 as long as hes mine thats all that matters, he can still ride lovely vet hasnt found anything wrong with him so all is good, but i still cant understsand why people keep say 23 when its 78 so that would make him nearly 40 lol and there is no way a horse of that age and after a revolting life could bounce back so well as he has with me as u can see in the video he isnt lazy or sluggish hes quite up beat and forward going :)

yer someone onmy yard said it looked like a B as i bath him and he was very slat and he had no winter coat,

Katd66 the pics was taken when he has a summer coat? now i cant see it because hes got all fluffy :) and i dont have clippers lol

finnywinny, :) ur story is lovely and wel done to u aswell xx

i will go and getthe passport in a min and see what i can fine but to be honest i havent a clue what i will be looking for including where to look for passport number as so many pages are missing xx
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The passport number is usually 15 numbers and on the first page and a few if the other pages.
 
polish WB are branded with the month and year they are born so in this situation (if correct) would make him july 1998, a 12 yr old. good luck with finding out info it is never easy.
 
right i have his passprot and i have this on the front of the passport but pages 1-2-3 and 4 are missing the 1st page when i open it its the outline of diagram???? and the passport place seems to lead to him being dutch??

it says on the right side.
a shied with a loin with a crown on top then under it is says
KWPN
koninklijke vereniging
warmbloed
paaedenstamboek
nederland

then left side it says

NL-PAARDENPASPOORT
NL- HORSE PASSPORT
NL-PASSEPORT POUR CHEVAUX
NL-PFERDEPASS
 
Does it have his name on the outline page?

Edit - stupid question really - im sure you have looked for that! Just trying to think of ways which the passport agency could identify it!
 
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Katd66 said:
Does it have his name on the outline page?

Edit - stupid question really - im sure you have looked for that! Just trying to think of ways which the passport agency could identify it!
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lol yer i have look but its ok ur only trying to help :) the passport has a few scribbles of red pen on his diagram pics thats it i will upload a pic soon xx
 
So, that would make it a dutch passport, BUT (and I may well be talking utter poop) I had a Rheinlander, born in holland, with a German passport. So he may well be Polish :)

This is so interesting!
 
JessandCharlie said:
So, that would make it a dutch passport, BUT (and I may well be talking utter poop) I had a Rheinlander, born in holland, with a German passport. So he may well be Polish :)

This is so interesting!
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lol this is all such a pain in the ass :) i think i might make a potion to make him talk may be quicker hahaha xx
 
It is definitely a KPWN passport. does it just say page 5 in the bottom left hand corner? Are the brands labelled on the identity drawing and in the bottom right hand corner is there a stamp and signature of the vet?

It wouldbe very unlikely that a Ducth horse has been sent to either Poland or Hungary and been re-branded, they tend to only do it as foals.

I have to say that the L brand to me defo looks like a loss of use brand. Do you mind if I ask who told you it wasnt done like they do it?
 
"My exposure to polish warmbloods:

In the seventies and beyond, truckloads of them passed through Germany on the way to France - for obvious reasons.
The barn my sister took lessons at frequently recieved polish horses for resale, reasonable prized mounts for the hobbiist.

I have not heard of any farms or breeders, so I guess - since polish is not one of the most spoke languageses in this world - try via the department of agricultur in Poland"

"Try this email address: agata.milnerowicz@interia.pl." Apparently this person speaks very good english and may be able to help if he's polish :D

^^From another forum on a thread where somebody was trying to trace a polish warmbood. There is also a list of all the Polish National studs and their corresponding numbers. Don't know if that's any use.
 
From http://www.horsedata.co.uk/horse_brands.htm

You can't see the pic here but looks like the stag horns you boy has? Maybe?

Baden Wurttemburg:

Pferdezuchtverband Baden-Württemberg e.V.
Heinrich-Baumann-Straße 1-3
D-70190 Stuttgart
Tel: 0049-7 11 - 16 65 50
Fax: 0049-7 11 - 1 66 55 20

Pferdesportverband Baden-Württemberg

The branding numbers on the horses left hindquarters are part of the life identity number of the horse. For example:

Life identity number: DE 473 73207 32 09
DE - Country of origin
473- Association within the country of origin (473 Baden-Württemberg, for horses born before 2000, 373)
73207- a random number
32 - branding number (random)
09 - Year of birth
The life identity number is unique for every horse.
 
Jess, All German studbooks brand on the thigh, rather than the withers. IME, only polish, Hungarian, Czech or Farmkey will brand in that position.

I would assume in this instance that it is a case of the passport having pages removed to make it match the horse. Quite often the dutch ones come over without an identity drawing completed. Therefore the first few pages get ripped out, the drawing done in red pen by someone with half an idea and hey presto horse gets a new passport. Passport isnt legal but hey ho, the unsuspecting amateur owners arent to know that!!
 
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