Do you reconise my boy (grey gelding) or did u own me ??

Another thing (I'm nearly done, promise) is it looks almost like somebody's had a go at recreating the trakehner brand in a way. That is stag horns, but with no 'L' in the middle, and not quite the same. Google and have a look if you haven't already. The 'L' could be a stud's mark?

mbe, quite right. I'm being a blonde :D
 
Perhaps the best next step is to get email addresses for several breed associations(like the ones others have mentioned on here) and see if any of them recognise the brands or can point you in the right direction!


FEDERATION OF HUNGARIAN HORSE BREEDERS - they were so helpful when tracing my 2 Nonius' history

Web: www.mlosz.hu
E-mail info@mlosz.hu

If you need help translating website let me know but they emailed me in english when I contacted them.
 
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Just a thought on the 'L' brand.
KWPN/Dutch WB horses used to be branded with a letter to represent the year of their birth. The letter L relates to 1992.
 
I said on the the previous thread he looked like a lipi..

heres a bit of info for you OP.

Lipizzaners are marked by their brands, on the left cheek, the brand of descent, usually an L denoting a purebred Lipizzaner, on the left withers, a letter denoting the bloodline of the sire (out of the six classical bloodlines) and a symbol denoting the bloodline of the dam (out of the same six bloodlines) and the left hip carrying the brand of the stud at which the horse was foaled. The Piber stud's mark is a P beneath a crown. The only brand on the right side of the horse is the foal registry number, and all brands, excepting the cheek brand and the hip brand, are covered by the saddle.

try emailing some pics to these guys in the links see if they have anything to say.
http://www.lipizzaner.co.uk
http://www.lipizzaner.org.uk
 
My horse is a pure bred Lipizzaner, on Register One of the UK Lipizzaner studbook. He was bred in Hungary and has the L surrounded by stag horns, exactly the same as your horse. This is on his right saddle area, directly underneath that brand is 04 to denote his year of birth. On his left saddle is his foal number.

The L surrounded by stag horns is definitely not a LOU mark, my old horse had one of those and it was quite different!

Branding of Lipizzaners is not the same in every country, so not all are branded on cheeks/hips. Lots of private studs (such as the one I bought my horse from) have their own branding system and don't follow the same rules as Piber.

Looks like he could well be a Lipi, and perhaps an elderly one at that if 78 is his year of birth. Well done with him, you have obviously made him much more comfortable since he came to you.
 
mbequest said:
It is definitely a KPWN passport. does it just say page 5 in the bottom left hand corner? Are the brands labelled on the identity drawing and in the bottom right hand corner is there a stamp and signature of the vet?

It wouldbe very unlikely that a Ducth horse has been sent to either Poland or Hungary and been re-branded, they tend to only do it as foals.

I have to say that the L brand to me defo looks like a loss of use brand. Do you mind if I ask who told you it wasnt done like they do it?
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not just a marking as a star and a snip on his mouth nothing else at alland my vet said it isnt a LOU


JessandCharlie said:
From http://www.horsedata.co.uk/horse_brands.htm

You can't see the pic here but looks like the stag horns you boy has? Maybe?

Baden Wurttemburg:

Pferdezuchtverband Baden-Württemberg e.V.
Heinrich-Baumann-Straße 1-3
D-70190 Stuttgart
Tel: 0049-7 11 - 16 65 50
Fax: 0049-7 11 - 1 66 55 20

Pferdesportverband Baden-Württemberg

The branding numbers on the horses left hindquarters are part of the life identity number of the horse. For example:

Life identity number: DE 473 73207 32 09
DE - Country of origin
473- Association within the country of origin (473 Baden-Württemberg, for horses born before 2000, 373)
73207- a random number
32 - branding number (random)
09 - Year of birth
The life identity number is unique for every horse.
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hi thanks but no i have seen the pic and its nothing like caspers xx

JessandCharlie said:
Another thing (I'm nearly done, promise) is it looks almost like somebody's had a go at recreating the trakehner brand in a way. That is stag horns, but with no 'L' in the middle, and not quite the same. Google and have a look if you haven't already. The 'L' could be a stud's mark?

mbe, quite right. I'm being a blonde :D
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o need to stop writing every little info is great and its more brackets with things off of it not horns hun xx

DH1 said:
Just a thought on the 'L' brand.
KWPN/Dutch WB horses used to be branded with a letter to represent the year of their birth. The letter L relates to 1992.
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ohhhh could be i just havent a clue now so many possiable ways


digitalangel said:
i had a look at your other thread and the pics there - definirely looks like a LOU brand to me
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no deffo not my vet has said it isnt one xx


kezimac said:
see this thread that some lovely person has started on EE forum - and someone has posted similar brandings on a lippizaner. he does have a lippi type head.

http://www.enlightenedequitation.com/ee/boards/index.php?topic=42703.msg417156#new
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ohhh okies i'll have a look now xx
 
jhoward said:
I said on the the previous thread he looked like a lipi..

heres a bit of info for you OP.

Lipizzaners are marked by their brands, on the left cheek, the brand of descent, usually an L denoting a purebred Lipizzaner, on the left withers, a letter denoting the bloodline of the sire (out of the six classical bloodlines) and a symbol denoting the bloodline of the dam (out of the same six bloodlines) and the left hip carrying the brand of the stud at which the horse was foaled. The Piber stud's mark is a P beneath a crown. The only brand on the right side of the horse is the foal registry number, and all brands, excepting the cheek brand and the hip brand, are covered by the saddle.

try emailing some pics to these guys in the links see if they have anything to say.
http://www.lipizzaner.co.uk
http://www.lipizzaner.org.uk
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thanks hun xx i'll have a look an email pic's to them i found this writing aswell and with how he moves when ridden and when he gets excitited someone said from the floor he looks like a spanish horse so i googled them all and found him to be near on a lippi :)

lipizzaner said:
My horse is a pure bred Lipizzaner, on Register One of the UK Lipizzaner studbook. He was bred in Hungary and has the L surrounded by stag horns, exactly the same as your horse. This is on his right saddle area, directly underneath that brand is 04 to denote his year of birth. On his left saddle is his foal number.

The L surrounded by stag horns is definitely not a LOU mark, my old horse had one of those and it was quite different!

Branding of Lipizzaners is not the same in every country, so not all are branded on cheeks/hips. Lots of private studs (such as the one I bought my horse from) have their own branding system and don't follow the same rules as Piber.

Looks like he could well be a Lipi, and perhaps an elderly one at that if 78 is his year of birth. Well done with him, you have obviously made him much more comfortable since he came to you.
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yer but his number is directly next to the L and horns would tht still be the same as it isnt under it?? thank you im just not to sure with the age thing he isnt at all like an old man lol i have a 23 year old mare and u look at her and would say she is 10 but ride her and u think she is 100 bless her and if have seen the video u can see hes not at all stiff ect

that post on EE :) how lovely for someone to do that for me i really apprecitiate that so if ur reading this thank you so much it really touched me :) i have joined to EE so if i get accepted i will put my post in :)
 
contact the 2 links see what they have to say, when i saw yr original post He sceamed lipi to me.. I had one, he went on loan and came back a state the pics of yr lad in bad conditon reminded me of his shape so much!
 
samandcasper said:
yer but his number is directly next to the L and horns would tht still be the same as it isnt under it?? thank you im just not to sure with the age thing he isnt at all like an old man lol i have a 23 year old mare and u look at her and would say she is 10 but ride her and u think she is 100 bless her and if have seen the video u can see hes not at all stiff ect
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My gelding is 23 & he rides like a loony 4 yr old, so dont dismiss the age thing because of how he acts :) not all horses are the same. Good luck finding out about your boy :)
 
jhoward said:
contact the 2 links see what they have to say, when i saw yr original post He sceamed lipi to me.. I had one, he went on loan and came back a state the pics of yr lad in bad conditon reminded me of his shape so much!
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i have just sent emails to them :) will kepp u all informed

navaho said:
My gelding is 23 & he rides like a loony 4 yr old, so dont dismiss the age thing because of how he acts :) not all horses are the same. Good luck finding out about your boy :)
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yer true i suppose velvet had a big burst of enegry a while back and was mistaken for a young one, ohh well as i have said b4 i wouldnt be fussed if he was 100 and could never be ridden hes my baby and thts all that matters xx navaho are u on saddle soap or white blazes if so im sam&rocky ? xx
 
Interesting. Earlier today I emailed my friend who has a Lippi and asked her to look at this thread because I also thought he looked like a Lippizaner as soon as I opened your thread. She also thinks you should contact those Lippizaner people in the links given. You might get an interesting surprise! he wouldn't be the first horse to be sold with another horse's passport. Keep us posted, this is getting really interesting.
It's lovely to hear that he's found his home for life, he looks as if he deserves it.
 
well done for all the good work you have done. He looks lovely and very happy with his life now :)
I have a mare who came in a poor state, she had been a racehorse in Ireland and by her actions and responses, it was obvious that she hadn't had a particularly nice life. I did try and find out about her and then took the decision to leave it. I wanted to look forward, not back and tbh wasn't sure that I really wanted to know who had her previously. I felt she deserved to start with a clean slate.
So I stopped looking. Never really looked back since. If your vet says he is perfectly healthy then what have you really got to gain by tracing his origin, well other than satisfying your curiosity which is fair enough.

For what it is worth, I think he looks quite lipizzaner too. I wouldn't go too much on his passport, good chance it isn't his.

Good luck with him.
 
Hmmm similar story to my similar looking grey gelding who Ive had over 10 years now, very underweight when i had him too- apparently from Ireland from a dealer near the Dartford tunnel- where was yours from?

I've not had any luck finding history on my boy- good luck with yours x
 
FWIW I think that A) he's a Lippizaner - looks like one, moves with the carriage of one and the brand is an L inside stag's horns, and B) it's either 85, 88 or 89, which makes him 25/22/21 years old. They may well have since altered the branding position slightly, as in the pics of more recent Lippizaners on the EE forum.

By all means contact the Lippizaner society and seek his origins, but if I were you, I'd leave it at that. Don't torment yourself by learning of possibly less than happy times for him. Whatever precarious path he was sent along, it led to you and he has been extremely fortunate :) Leave it at that and put all your effort into loving him and caring for him and enjoying your time with him.

Do let us know what turns up from the breed society, though!
 
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for what its worth, this is my 23yr old this summer. from your photos i do believe you lad is older than 12/13 as he has a slightly dipped back (like my lad) i hope you find something about him. but remember its about the present that counts not the past. all i know about my lad is he came from a dealer in scotland, and possible ireland before that. we were lied to about his age and breeding. so don't be surprised if this happens to you.

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A dipped back in a Lipizzaner is not necessarily an indicator of old age - Lipis often have slightly dipped backs, even as young horses! It's very common in the breed.
 
sugarlump121 said:
Hmmm similar story to my similar looking grey gelding who Ive had over 10 years now, very underweight when i had him too- apparently from Ireland from a dealer near the Dartford tunnel- where was yours from?

I've not had any luck finding history on my boy- good luck with yours x
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yeah casper came from just past dartford as well as u walk in on the right they have a hut thing then on the left is where the horses are they also breed dogs

Dizzy The Blonde Reindeer said:
for what its worth, this is my 23yr old this summer. from your photos i do believe you lad is older than 12/13 as he has a slightly dipped back (like my lad) i hope you find something about him. but remember its about the present that counts not the past. all i know about my lad is he came from a dealer in scotland, and possible ireland before that. we were lied to about his age and breeding. so don't be surprised if this happens to you.

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WOW urs looks amazing

brightinsel said:
FWIW I think that A) he's a Lippizaner - looks like one, moves with the carriage of one and the brand is an L inside stag's horns, and B) it's either 85, 88 or 89, which makes him 25/22/21 years old. They may well have since altered the branding position slightly, as in the pics of more recent Lippizaners on the EE forum.

By all means contact the Lippizaner society and seek his origins, but if I were you, I'd leave it at that. Don't torment yourself by learning of possibly less than happy times for him. Whatever precarious path he was sent along, it led to you and he has been extremely fortunate :) Leave it at that and put all your effort into loving him and caring for him and enjoying your time with him.

Do let us know what turns up from the breed society, though!
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i will do going to check my emails now :)

lipizzaner said:
A dipped back in a Lipizzaner is not necessarily an indicator of old age - Lipis often have slightly dipped backs, even as young horses! It's very common in the breed.
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:) :) :)
 
I'm afriad I don't know your horse and no nothing about branding - however I just want to say well done to you for giving this boy a chance. He looks so much better in your 'after' posts. I hope you manage for find the information you want - this thread has been so interesting to read - but if you don't then just enjoy him and let him know that not all humans will mistreat him and hopefully he can end his days with you and know that you loved him and appreciated him. Well done.
 
jaspejoo said:
it looks like the first freeze mark in the first picture is a loss of use L...which is supposed to be an (L) .. (i think!!)
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To me it doesn't look like a LOU mark. I have only ever had one horse myself who had a LOU mark done - it was an 'L' completely enclosed within a circle. I have seen others exactly the same. On the OP's horse, the 'L' seems to be inside brackets (for want of a better word) and they seem to have bits coming off them, like antlers maybe?
 
Well done with him! poor boy.. he is lucky to have found you! And It's not the end of the world if he does turn out to be over 20.... my boy is 21 (in the sig) and there is nothing I can't do with him
 
Sam, are you saying you brought him from Tom Bonner, in Darenth near Dartford? I believe some of his horses are from the continent.
 
If the horse came from him just disregard the passport a friend bought a horse from him and he came with a ISH passport saying he was 6 even though he had a massive belguim warmblood brand and his chip number showed he was from a Belguim stud. In this case with a bit of TLC the boy turned into a cracker.
 
Caz89 said:
Well done with him! poor boy.. he is lucky to have found you! And It's not the end of the world if he does turn out to be over 20.... my boy is 21 (in the sig) and there is nothing I can't do with him
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wow what a stunner he is aswell :)

Tinypony said:
Sam, are you saying you brought him from Tom Bonner, in Darenth near Dartford? I believe some of his horses are from the continent.
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his name was tom not sure of his last he has a very strong irish accent and the lady kelly i think thts her name was nice she had just a normal english accent
 
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