do you smoke and ride at the same time?

putasocinit said:
Tigertail - i think you would be better off asking that question to our great great great grandfathers who smoked, and if my memory serves me correctly some of them have lived past 100 years old when smoking and breathing in others smoke was the normality of the day.
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There will always be a few who live to great old age despite smoking. They are the lucky ones. On average, our great great great grandfathers did not live as long as we do today. So it would be wrong to argue for the safety of smoking on the basis of the lucky minority who lived past 100 years despite, not because of, smoking. If smoking actually increased life expectancy, don't you think we would have heard about it by now? The tobacco companies would be shouting it from the rooftops!
 
Wagtail said:
Seriously, buy 'the easy way to stop smoking' by Alan Carr, and READ IT. Absolutely amazing book. You would not think just reading a book could make you stop smoking (without a load of preaching and scare stories), but it really does. I know loads of people who have quit after reading it, myself included.
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Me too, Wagtail. Carr's book is great, imo. It was like a lightbulb came on and I understood properly for the first time the nature of the hold that nicotine had over me - and hence made it easy to break it.
 
Having seen how my poor old Nan struggles at 95 despite having never drank or smoked I don't wanna live that long anyway. I'd only spend my pension in 2 years on rubbish and be broke.

I did give up at 21 and started again 7 years ago at 28.
 
Fbirton we needf acts and figures to ack up each others case, millions of men serving in ww1 and ww2 smoked and so did their families at home, however i personally think it is just another attack at others because right now there is nothing else to attack others about.

Some folk may fart in public, is that not a form of methane gas, imagine standing in the bank queue as no 10 in line at least 3 of those in the line will fart whilst standing there, and all the fumes coming from vehicles whilst idling to warm up in the cold mornings or just starting up to drive off.

Yes smoking does stink, i wish i could give up but until i do, which is my choice if you dont want me to smoke then stop selling them, i dont need to be treated like a lepper, those days went out in the days of our lord.
 
I don't smoke but I would worry about someone else smoking around my horse! just like around a kid! the poor horse doesn't have a choice about someone smoking near them and passive smoking it bad for humans, im sure it must be just as bad for the horses!???
 
not sure our great great great great grandfathers smoked tbh, that was a very long time ago-maybe clay pipes but then, life expectancy would have been in the 40s anyway.

my great grandfather was killed in the Great War, my maternal grandfather in WWII :p had I faced those sorts of odds I would have carried on smoking as well! my dad died of smoking related cancer at 72-not much of an age in this day and age really. honestly, there is no good argument for smoking, there's no defence of it rationally on health grounds either.


if you are that worried about people farting, I suggest online banking :p
 
fburton said:
Me too, Wagtail. Carr's book is great, imo. It was like a lightbulb came on and I understood properly for the first time the nature of the hold that nicotine had over me - and hence made it easy to break it.
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I found it totally useless. More so when I read that he has also done lose weight and get rich quick books. In the end I gave up because I wanted to. Once you are at that point, you will be ok. And I had been smoking for over 30 years.
 
putasocinit said:
Yes smoking does stink, i wish i could give up but until i do, which is my choice if you dont want me to smoke then stop selling them, i dont need to be treated like a lepper, those days went out in the days of our lord.
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Smoking is less and less acceptable to the population so therefore those that choose to still do it will end up rather lepper like - too many people are aware of the risks, and simply don't want to be surrounded by it because of other peoples weakness/selfishness/addiction whatever.

I always find it ironic outside hospitals there is a cluster of smokers in gowns, with tubes up their nose, or iv stands etc or in a+e people demanding to be seen or wheeled outside so they can have a smoke!
 
My grandad died at 62 in agony from smoking related throat and mouth cancer. OH grandad died at 86 of heart failure both smoked untipped cigarettes all their lives as many as 60 per day. So it is a bit of a lottery really.
I personally prefer to spend my money on big hairy smelly things not small normally white sticks and I for one cant afford both if you can then it is a free world I dont smoke never have but if you have a life of stress pain and despair sometimes the effect of the fags can be beneficial
My wonderful dad was a consultant psychiatrist he didnt smoke but was extremely angry when the admin crew put no smoking signs in the waiting rooms in his hospital to quote him "they are stressed and nutty enough when on the fags they would be a nightmare off them" So although I would prefer people not to smoke especially those I care about it is their choice at the end of the day and mostly they are nice people in themselves so I can put up with the fact they stink if it makes them happy
 
Many years ago miners used to worm their ponies with a bit of chewed up 'baccy'. The ponies used to relish it (ie take it from the hand and look for more!) and many of them lived to a ripe old age.

I don't smoke but having been married to someone who smoked 60 plus a day of Gitanes I know how addictive it can feel.
 
gunnergundog said:
Many years ago miners used to worm their ponies with a bit of chewed up 'baccy'. The ponies used to relish it (ie take it from the hand and look for more!) and many of them lived to a ripe old age.

I don't smoke but having been married to someone who smoked 60 plus a day of Gitanes I know how addictive it can feel.
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Funny you should say that my old YO used to smoke a pipe and all the horses would try to mug him for the tobacco they loved it
 
windand rain said:
Funny you should say that my old YO used to smoke a pipe and all the horses would try to mug him for the tobacco they loved it
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My hubby used to smoke hamlet regularly, then he went overseas to work away. While he was away he got a throat infection and could not / did not want to smoke. This was his turning point, after that he only smoked one or 2 at xmas. Then when his dad died he did not have the urge. Since then he is a non smoker, hates the smell of it as I do.

U need the will power to stop if you want to stop, its hard to stop a habit you either succeed or you don't

Now we always book non smoking areas in hotel / restaurant. What we do hate is when people light up while eating at restaurant and its inevitable they are smoking the grossest cigarets.

Some times you sit by the pool side snoozing or listening to your music and some foreigner lights up. EWWWWWWWWWWWW
 
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Believe it or not i really hate the smell, but hubby smokes and i moan at him, and i only smoke 10 a day and i hate myself for it, but its so damn hard to stop, got the nhs kit, got the electronic fags, got the guilt, got the bill but do i light up when i get in the car first thing, oh yes i do, lol
 
Must say I totally agree with Patterdale's comment about poor judgement.

Flame_ said:
This is a cool little discussion but I think its sad that people are so snotty about smokers, chill, its not like they're trying to get you to join in. If it makes someone's day a little bit happier to go for a ride and have a cig, then good for them. :)
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Perhaps not actively, but how many people who smoke, and even how many posts just on this thread, say 'oh, but everyone else did it'.



I'm another who thinks smoking looks trashy in any circumstance.


On a related note, I am quite bemused by some of the people I know who constantly complain about not having any money - while having 3 or 4 horses and a cigarette lit at every opportunity.
 
babymare said:
My name is Babymare. Im 50 and I smoke. I also am on my 3rd glass of the most gorgeous red wine (smoking fag to) and hell its bliss:)
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I misread the time you posted and thought it said am not pm. Fair play to you ;)

I was encouraged to have a cigarette or send a text by a trainer years ago half way through a schooling session to 'let the horse off the hook' and give him a five minute break to process what we had just done otherwise I was often guilty of micromanaging every single stride. Worked very well. I will still do this occasionally now, especially if we have done something that is mentally quite challenging for the horse. I have never smoked on a hack though and although it sounds weird, it wouldn't occur to me to.
 
I don't smoke and don't like to see people smoking when they ride, in case of a dropped fag end getting trapped under saddle (as others have mentioned). But I'm not bothered by the smell, and there is one thing I can say for smokers - in the sunmmer months, if you stand beside one, then the blood-sucking midgies leave you alone!
 
I remember being a kid, riding along with my friends and looking on and tutting in disgust at the grown ups riding and smoking! Now I'm one of them ;). To be honest I actually haven't ridden and smoked with Ben (so in the last 18 months) but that was because he was just backed, I didn't want any distractions while riding, but yes, I used to smoke and ride with ebony and would feel completely fine doing so with Ben now.
 
Smoking is disgusting wherever people are doing but its a persons own choice whether to do it however I do not think people should smoke around their horses its not different from smoking around other people, they still have to breathe it in and smell your stink after. You could quite easily drop a cigarette and it get trapped touching and burning your horse, hardly fair on the horses is it. Also whilst out hacking having a fag what do you all do with the butt when you have finished??
 
how many non smokers drive cars, have horse lorries, wood or coal burning fires, gas central heating or oil central heating? all things which burn and produce toxic fumes, how many of you ride out on the roads? making your horses breathe in exhaust fumes. the hay you feed has been baled in close proximity to a bloomin great big tractor belching out fumes! TBF a small amount of cigarette smoke blowing in the air 4ft above a horses head is probably no where near as damaging (or insulting) to them as the rest of the pollution we expose them and ourselves to on a daily basis!!

I don't smoke now, stopped when i had the kids, but as a teen i smoked while i rode, i thought smoking was cool, i thought smoking while riding was extra cool, but then i was young and did lots of daft things back then.
 
putasocinit said:
Fbirton we needf acts and figures to ack up each others case, millions of men serving in ww1 and ww2 smoked and so did their families at home, however i personally think it is just another attack at others because right now there is nothing else to attack others about.
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Presumably the tobacco industry and the NHS have detailed figures. I can only repeat what I wrote before - if it was the case that smoking was good for health and increased life expectancy, the tobacco companies would be trumpeting this. They clearly aren't. Their silence alone proves that smoking isn't good for health and doesn't make people live longer. Indeed, all the indications are that the reverse is true, that smoking is bad for health and always has been.
 
Blimey, reading this thread makes me want to go and have a fag!

I've never smoked on a yard as the RS I first went to burnt down because of a discarded cigarette butt, miraculously all horses got themselves out of the way! I have been to several school's and yards though where they do have designated smoking areas. I've never smoked on a horse, simply never felt the need to but I do smoke out 'n' about especially when following the hunt as there are long boring waits and (for me) you can't beat that early morning cuppa and a fag! I am very careful that I am not smoking near people as I do agree that you shouldn't 'inflict' your habit on someone else. Anyway, because I smoke roll ups I have a tobacco tin and all my fag ends go in the tin so there's no risk of any fires being started by me. As an interesting aside, my Dad smoked a pipe and a lady I rode with had New Forest ponies and they loved the smell of my Dad's fresh tobacco and were constantly trying to nick the pouch from his pocket!

Someone mentioned alcohol and it reminds me of a hunt I went to once (was on holiday and won't mention names or places) but one of the officials (mounted) was steaming drunk, chatting up all the ladies and became verbally abusive when he didn't get anywhere, mouth like a sewer. I kept well out of his way but it didn't last long as he fell off leaning down to swear at a car driver (who had done nothing wrong) and he was like an upturned turtle and couldn't get back up. I found that sight rather vulgar and it was certainly dangerous but I am not instantly going to start shouting about "drinkers" and tar them all with the same brush. You can drink responsibly and you can also smoke responsibly, end of.
 
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