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Hi - after some (constructive) views please, and I apologise for the length but I think it's important to get the whole picture!
I have a horse that I absolutely adore (this is important) but as a result of a combination of factors I probably need to find her another home (please don't ask why just assume it's a given), and I am at a bit of a loss as to how to approach it.
She is on the one hand the easiest horse in the world - on the ground, to travel and to handle at shows - good to catch, clip, shoe, hack alone or in company. You can canter/gallop her in a field and sit up and she will come back to you. She has the odd spook but I have never ever felt scared on her although she does hate pigs with a vengeance and so I am not sure what she would do if forced to confront them ;) ;). She is the bravest, kindest horse I have ever sat on and is adorably kind with my young children.
On the other hand she can be "quirky" under saddle. When I got her she had only ever showjumped (dc at Newcomers level) and we found out soon enough that all the wrong muscles had built up so we spent a looooong time with physio and loads and loads of straight line hacking etc to "re-build" her.
Flatwork was alien to her as a concept and whilst she is much better than she was she will never be the best dressage horse because she gets very, very tense at comps. We are more often than not in the bottom 10 after the dressage, and it's not just me - a pro who has competed her has almost always been in the same position after the dressage :). As my flatwork instructor said she is an Advanced Medium horse one day and a Prelim horse the next - "inconsistency" is the key word ;).
Jumping - again has enough talent - pros that have ridden her and that I train with reckon she would go 2* no problem BUT again she tends to rush and really needs to be "held" with the seat and legs with very little pressure on her mouth or her ears will end up up your nose. She will only accept a rubber snaffle in her mouth and rears if metal is used :( She has never stopped with me but being so opinionated has led to me losing my confidence and we both had a fall last year which has affected me deeply. XC - she is awesome. She had never run xc before I got her and is brilliant at it. All the new questions (ditches, steps, etc) she answered no problem. Slight propping at water to start with which was fair considering as a showjumper she had been trained to jump OVER the water :) but no XC faults in 2 seasons. And perfectly controllable - she actually listens xc but always makes the time.
So here's the thing - I know how to manage her - physically there is no reason for her behaviours - honestly please be assured my horses have the very best attention (I am the first person to call a vet and am supported by one of the biggest equine hospitals in the South) she has been scanned/xrayed from head to toe - and scoped. We did find some old scar tissue from ulcers pre my ownership which we treated as it was inflamed but physically she is in great shape - just her head carries tension. A couple of trainers have declared her "too bright for her own good" as she is always looking for the complication even if all you want is to walk, trot and canter in circles :). I manage her carefully on a regular programme of physio and sports massage, varied work, v v little feed and as much turn out as I can get into her. Question is how on earth do I find her the "right" home? She is really a pros horse but is realistically not going to take them to the top, as is probably capped out at 2* scope wise. She needs a quiet sympathetic rider and probably prefers girls to boys (just an observation). In the wrong hands she would be dangerous I think and I couldn't take that responsibility. So on loan? With stipulations as to management? Would that work?
Any suggestions most welcome and thank you very much for getting this far :)
 
If you are truly worried about her future then I think the only safe thing that you can do is loan, from what you have said about her I understand why you would be concerned.

Would she suit a competent older teen (19 upwards) who is wanting to start serious competition? I would advertise her for loan from where she is but with the proviso that she could be moved (if required) after a certain amount of time.
 
I sold a pony just like this when I outgrew her. We didn't ask for a huge amount and were very honest that she was not an easy horse to ride. We had no trouble selling her and found her a fabulous competitive home. I understand that you are worried about her future - and for this reason I would consider loaning her if you found the right person, or lwvtb. But there honestly will be someone out there for her, you just probably won't be able to sell her for big big bucks.
 
I sold a pony just like this when I outgrew her. We didn't ask for a huge amount and were very honest that she was not an easy horse to ride. We had no trouble selling her and found her a fabulous competitive home. I understand that you are worried about her future - and for this reason I would consider loaning her if you found the right person, or lwvtb. But there honestly will be someone out there for her, you just probably won't be able to sell her for big big bucks.
Thank you - that does give me some hope. I honestly don't care about the money - I just want her to go to the right home. They do exist - she very nearly went to my friend a fellow amateur who is so laid back she is almost horizontal and they did brilliantly together so I know there are the right people out there - it's just finding the right one :) thank you.
 
If you are truly worried about her future then I think the only safe thing that you can do is loan, from what you have said about her I understand why you would be concerned.

Would she suit a competent older teen (19 upwards) who is wanting to start serious competition? I would advertise her for loan from where she is but with the proviso that she could be moved (if required) after a certain amount of time.
I don't think age is factor - it's more the type of rider. And yes - that does make sense - she should stay where she is initially. I have deliberately let different people ride her recently and she is amazingly sensitive to her rider - electric seats need not apply ;)
 
It is very hard when you need to find an home for your horses :( You sound like you have done an amazing job with her :) We always think that there is no one else who could understand / look after them like us but there are! I know it's shocking :eek: but I realised that when I sold my last two. In fact one of the owners is more suited to my youngster than I was I think! :eek:

I think loaning from your place to begin with could work although it does limit who might be able to take her on. It is such a hard thing to do and I did consider part loaning one of mine but she can be quirky and in the end I decided against it.

I wish you the best and let us know how you get on :)
 
It is very hard when you need to find an home for your horses :( You sound like you have done an amazing job with her :) We always think that there is no one else who could understand / look after them like us but there are! I know it's shocking :eek: but I realised that when I sold my last two. In fact one of the owners is more suited to my youngster than I was I think! :eek:

I think loaning from your place to begin with could work although it does limit who might be able to take her on. It is such a hard thing to do and I did consider part loaning one of mine but she can be quirky and in the end I decided against it.

I wish you the best and let us know how you get on :)

Ha ha! Yes you are right - I am being over protective ;) You just hear such horror stories of loans going wrong - I fear someone taking her, using her for diesel money and handing me back a broken horse :( :(
 
Ha ha! Yes you are right - I am being over protective ;) You just hear such horror stories of loans going wrong - I fear someone taking her, using her for diesel money and handing me back a broken horse :( :(

Yep I am completely with you on that and personally I would not loan a horse out fully as I have bad experiences on both ends of that too! However there are some good people out there and I also think that we are our own worst enemies when it somes to describing our horses! I try not to rush things as I can change my mind 20 times a day! I was selling my youngster yday but today we are keeping her another year ;) Just put the word out and see what happens.....you don't have to do anything you don't want to :) :) She's your pony :)
 
You don't say her age or what level she is currently at but guessing she is comfortably at BE100 then I think there is every chance of finding a sympathetic RC/ grassroots person who will enjoy the hacking side as much or more than competing, also many people will pay a lot for a genuinely good fun hack, they will be competent enough for a few spooks as long as the horse will go alone and give a decent ride, she may be best suited to a home without the pressure of competing so if she were mine that would be how I would market her.

"Brilliant fun hack, ideal for mum to ride out with the kids", don't price her too low as she has a lot going for her to the right home.
 
You don't say her age or what level she is currently at but guessing she is comfortably at BE100 then I think there is every chance of finding a sympathetic RC/ grassroots person who will enjoy the hacking side as much or more than competing, also many people will pay a lot for a genuinely good fun hack, they will be competent enough for a few spooks as long as the horse will go alone and give a decent ride, she may be best suited to a home without the pressure of competing so if she were mine that would be how I would market her.

"Brilliant fun hack, ideal for mum to ride out with the kids", don't price her too low as she has a lot going for her to the right home.

You are correct of course - she is rising 11, Holsteiner and is 16hh. I have only done BE90s and usually in top 15/20 (because of the dressage - usually 4f sjing and clear xc in the time) but pro took her to her first 100 and came 7th easily. Pro said she felt the xc was easy (although she did comment that the showjumping she had to ride "every damn stride" ;) . And yes I have used her to nanny my daughter's pony very successfully so yes this would work. A different perspective always welcomed - I am focussing on her as a competition horse because she has the talent but she wouldn't care if she never went in an arena again in her life ;).
 
There will be a home out there for her but in all honesty it might take a while to find the right person. In this situation I'm pro LWVTB but can completely understand why others would run a mile.

Ease of selling will really come down to just how sensitive/tricky to ride she is.

We had real struggles last year selling a 1* horse with real solid form. He fell into no mans market. Not a pros horse but equally just a little too sensitive for the vast majority of juniors/amateurs. In the eventung market the money & buyers are most definitely there but only for the straightforward horses.
 
I have sold many over the years often on sales livery so I am used to looking at things from all angles, sometimes it helps to think slightly outside the box, I believe most will find the correct home, I tend not to pigeonhole them too much in an ad but to enhance the real positives and hope that the right person reads it, so I would not say she cannot go to a competition home but would make more of the other things and then carefully vet people who make contact.

I sold a lovely livery a couple of years ago but was tearing my hair out at the standard of rider that turned up, most knowing he was a schoolmaster/ Intermediate event horse thought if they got on and pulled the reins while they kicked he would do all the moves, he was not that much of a mugs ride, then a lovely young boy got on, he had wonderful hands and natural feel O liked him, went beautifully as he could when ridden properly and he went off to his new home a few days later, a nice horse will usually find a nice home but it can take time.
 
You are correct of course - she is rising 11, Holsteiner and is 16hh. I have only done BE90s and usually in top 15/20 (because of the dressage - usually 4f sjing and clear xc in the time) but pro took her to her first 100 and came 7th easily. Pro said she felt the xc was easy (although she did comment that the showjumping she had to ride "every damn stride" ;) . And yes I have used her to nanny my daughter's pony very successfully so yes this would work. A different perspective always welcomed - I am focussing on her as a competition horse because she has the talent but she wouldn't care if she never went in an arena again in her life ;).

With this info to hand an 11yo that has done BE90 isn't really an eventer, she is an allrounder. Advertise her as such and highlight her good points - an easy horse around the stables and a fun safe hack is the top of many wish lists.
 
There will be a home out there for her but in all honesty it might take a while to find the right person. In this situation I'm pro LWVTB but can completely understand why others would run a mile.

Ease of selling will really come down to just how sensitive/tricky to ride she is.

We had real struggles last year selling a 1* horse with real solid form. He fell into no mans market. Not a pros horse but equally just a little too sensitive for the vast majority of juniors/amateurs. In the eventung market the money & buyers are most definitely there but only for the straightforward horses.

Yes I remember you posting at the same time we were trying to sell a very straightforward Novice/JRN horse and people were queuing up to buy him because he had a solid record AND was easy. I agree it won't be quick - I just want to do right by her...
 
She would suit someone like me who likes to hack and jump a bit. Must be loads of folk like me who were reasonable riders, then had kids and just like messing around unaffiliated SJ and the odd xc etc.

I would really appreciate a horse like that and an honest advert such as you are intending, and as BP says, listing her positive attributes, would be a good starting point.
 
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If considering find a new home for her and the right home you would need to be open and honest which I am sure you would be as you would not have opened up here! Try listing her with Rehome My Horse (www.rehomemyhorse.co.uk) they offer a service free of charge to owners looking for loan homes. Those interested need to submit applications.
 
With this info to hand an 11yo that has done BE90 isn't really an eventer, she is an allrounder. Advertise her as such and highlight her good points - an easy horse around the stables and a fun safe hack is the top of many wish lists.

This ^^^
 
Flatwork was alien to her as a concept and whilst she is much better than she was she will never be the best dressage horse because she gets very, very tense at comps. We are more often than not in the bottom 10 after the dressage, and it's not just me - a pro who has competed her has almost always been in the same position after the dressage.


She is really a pros horse but is realistically not going to take them to the top...

Ok, reality check, she is really NOT a pros horse and neither is she an eventer. However, considering all the lovely things you said about her at the start, she is probably very much a one owner amateur's horse. She sounds like she could be very suitable for brave kid coming off ponies, a hunter, team chasing, hunter trials etc. The problem is if you market her as an eventer she may end up in a home where someone drills the flatwork into her in an effort to improve her dressage scores. It doesn't sound like the horse would enjoy that but in a nutshell, yes lots of people would not only be interested in her, I'm sure they could give her a great home which she too would enjoy
 
Thank you very much for all of your replies. Really, really interesting perspectives because she has a lovely jump (jumped in main ring at Hickstead with previous owner) and is always admired when goes out - I have always classed her as an eventer because she has never gone further due to my wish to never go further but, of course you are all correct, with a record only at BE90, despite her potential, she is only a RC level all-rounder. Here's hoping I can find the right home for her. Thank you again - good reality checks all around :)
 
Ok, reality check, she is really NOT a pros horse and neither is she an eventer. However, considering all the lovely things you said about her at the start, she is probably very much a one owner amateur's horse. She sounds like she could be very suitable for brave kid coming off ponies, a hunter, team chasing, hunter trials etc. The problem is if you market her as an eventer she may end up in a home where someone drills the flatwork into her in an effort to improve her dressage scores. It doesn't sound like the horse would enjoy that but in a nutshell, yes lots of people would not only be interested in her, I'm sure they could give her a great home which she too would enjoy
Thank you! To be fair - I only classed her as a pros horse not because she has 4* potential - she definitely doesn't - but because I have been consistently told that the reactions needed to ride her successfully require the reactions of a pro rather than an amateur - I, for example, always think "oh, I should have done that" 2 strides later than I should and the last pro that evented her had a tricky showjumping round and came out and said "ok, this horse should not be ridden by an amateur". But of course both of those assumptions make huge generalisations about amateurs and pros alike. Thank you for your perspective - I really do appreciate it.
 
Have you considered a hunting/tetrathlon/team chasing home? With her safe hacking and excellent cross country she has a lot of value there?

I haven't just because she is an Alpha Mare and I am not sure how she would feel about following - I haven't ever tried that!
 
If considering find a new home for her and the right home you would need to be open and honest which I am sure you would be as you would not have opened up here! Try listing her with Rehome My Horse (www.rehomemyhorse.co.uk) they offer a service free of charge to owners looking for loan homes. Those interested need to submit applications.

Thank you - I will check it out.:)
 
I have sold many over the years often on sales livery so I am used to looking at things from all angles, sometimes it helps to think slightly outside the box, I believe most will find the correct home, I tend not to pigeonhole them too much in an ad but to enhance the real positives and hope that the right person reads it, so I would not say she cannot go to a competition home but would make more of the other things and then carefully vet people who make contact.
I sold a lovely livery a couple of years ago but was tearing my hair out at the standard of rider that turned up, most knowing he was a schoolmaster/ Intermediate event horse thought if they got on and pulled the reins while they kicked he would do all the moves, he was not that much of a mugs ride, then a lovely young boy got on, he had wonderful hands and natural feel O liked him, went beautifully as he could when ridden properly and he went off to his new home a few days later, a nice horse will usually find a nice home but it can take time.

That's the rider I am looking for :)
 
Or would it be worth getting a good amateur to up the BE record a bit more so she is running at 100? with true grassroots potential? your mare sounds like my old event mare. Granted she had run upto intermediate but I was (and am) only an amateur and I loved riding her. Her dressage was also pants, despite all efforts/training/physio and with SJ I was taught by a really good trainer to rather go with her. Best mare EVER and I loved riding her. She took me upto Novice with a few butt clenching moments but was amazing. I still have her at 28 on retirement!
 
I had one just like this she was an ex racehorse evented up to Novice and a proper 'Marmite' mare! She was advertised for loan and I thought there would be no chance of her being offered to me but rang anyway. Her owner was going to Australia and had advertised her for sale with no success, her claim to fame was a 71 dressage in an event!! I rode her twice round the school then took her for a hack and loved her. I am mid 50's, have worked in racing and hunting but don't do loonies now days! I always felt safe on her, my teenage daughter won two hunter trials on her but didn't like riding her at home! She could be a bit like riding a windmill!! I did some RC Eventing, low level BSJA and some hunter trails with her and she was a fun safe hack and I loved her. Unfortunately she was diagnosed with kissing spines and after a lovely summer in the field she, on the advice of the vet was PTS about 3 years ago. Look outside the box a little there is a lovely home for your lovely sounding mare. I have a 5 year old that came straight out of racing now, he's lovely too!
 
Or would it be worth getting a good amateur to up the BE record a bit more so she is running at 100? with true grassroots potential? your mare sounds like my old event mare. Granted she had run upto intermediate but I was (and am) only an amateur and I loved riding her. Her dressage was also pants, despite all efforts/training/physio and with SJ I was taught by a really good trainer to rather go with her. Best mare EVER and I loved riding her. She took me upto Novice with a few butt clenching moments but was amazing. I still have her at 28 on retirement!
Good suggestion...it's just finding the right person. As I said above, I have asked a few people to ride her recently and whilst they are all competent amateurs in their own right, she definitely reacts adversely to some riders. One of my friends did brilliantly on her last year but she doesn't really have the time :(. Thank you for taking the time to respond though :)
 
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