DO YOU THINK FRANCE WAS RIGHT???

Yes I do.

In the current climate we have to be able to identify everybody regardless of creed or colour.

Its a shame it has to be like this but it does.
 
The issue here is that it is illegal for these women to wear their religious head coverings in public in France. Not that they refused to show their faces through passport control etc.

OP I do not know what you mean by "This is how so many of them get in." when in fact these women go through passport control just like us and have to show their faces to a female controller behind a screen. They do not just wander in, what a ridiculous thing to think!

Can you actually read???
 
Remember, these women are the followers of the religion that commits most of the terrorism. The saying, "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims."

-A better question, why is the blind sheik still in the country?
-Why were Muslims allowed to jeer and swear at the troops arriving home from Iraq?
-Who cares if the Lockerbie mastermind had cancer, why should he ever have been released?

Everyone faces insulting inspections traveling now due to Muslim terror threats, they can't get up on their high horse and start whingeing about their privacy when they've caused the problems.
 
The reality is that a few years ago a policewoman was shot in the midlands, the man muslim man who shot her, was able to flee the country by wearing a veil. He obviously wasn't checked when he went through security.

i have no problem with Muslim ladies choosing to cover their heads with a veil or even wear full length coverings, but in this day and ago they do not need to compleely cover their face. It is obscene subjugation of women.
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/76179/WPC-killer-fled-UK-in-a-veil.html?print=yes

Even in this article, it is said that all incoming passengers are checked.

I agree that they don't need to wear a veil covering their face. But this post is not about muslim women taking their veils off for airport checks, it is because it is against the law to wear a face covering in a public place in France, and the airport is a public place! Nothing to do with passport control at all.

I honestly don't know what is going through people's minds at all if they read that article and assume it was passport control?!?
 
Trakehner said:
Remember, these women are the followers of the religion that commits most of the terrorism.

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Have you ever stopped and asked the question, WHY?

Have you ever considered that the seats of terrorism are based in the lands where the Western World has interfered the most?

Terrorism is only ever born of and promoted by the Western World medalling with and manipulating the lives of those who either through culture or lack of ability (all so often tribal people), aren't able to defend themselves. Understandably, resentment grows and splinter groups form.

During the '50s and '60s, promoted mostly by the "Reds under the beds" brigade, we were terrified of Communists and Russia, in particular. Along came Glasnost, and we found that we had nothing to fear (that's a bit simplistic, I realise, but that was about it)!

By and large, the Muslim has no wish to take us over. They simply want us out of their faces, and they want to be left in peace. We have relied upon the fact that, by definition, the Muslims tend to be tribal people. They aren't able to put a cohesive resistance together (just as historically, the Scots couldn't) and so the extremists are born, and resistance tends to father terrorism.

There is no simple answer, but were we to remove our selves and our influence from the Middle East, and if the Arab terrorist had nothing to fight, then he'd return to his shell.

When we stop medalling in the affairs of the Muslim, then we will have nothing to fear. The above is all a bit simplistic, I realise, but am I alone in thinking that the best way to approach the war on terrorism, is to withdraw? No fight=no war.

Alec.
 
While I would agree that terrorism is often caused by the west interfering, I would say that people moving to the west need to follow our rules, much like we do when we go to their countries. I would remove all terrorists, and those preaching hate from UK soil, where they weren't born in the country. Their rights have to come second to those people wanting to live in peace.
 
Its a really difficult one.

My heart sinks when you look at Syria but it sank even more when William Hague said he couldn't rule out military intervention.

Why do we have to run across the world putting all ills right ( in our minds ).

Its desperate seeing all these really young boys / men on the news dying in Afganistan, a place they probably can't even spell never mind understand what its all for.

We should learn our lessons, protect our own land and be happy with that.
 
Trakehner said:
Everyone faces insulting inspections traveling now due to Muslim terror threats, they can't get up on their high horse and start whingeing about their privacy when they've caused the problems.
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Following this logic, as a member of a Roman Catholic Northern Irish family I would like to apologise to everyone for the lack of bins in train stations. Neither I nor my family have any link to the IRA, but apparently it's all our fault that some nutters decided to blow people up anyway since there's a common religion...

Sorry.
 
Spudlet said:
Following this logic, as a member of a Roman Catholic Northern Irish family I would like to apologise to everyone for the lack of bins in train stations. Neither I nor my family have any link to the IRA, but apparently it's all our fault that some nutters decided to blow people up anyway since there's a common religion...

Sorry.
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Apology accepted :p
 
undertheweather said:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/76179/WPC-killer-fled-UK-in-a-veil.html?print=yes

Even in this article, it is said that all incoming passengers are checked.

I agree that they don't need to wear a veil covering their face. But this post is not about muslim women taking their veils off for airport checks, it is because it is against the law to wear a face covering in a public place in France, and the airport is a public place! Nothing to do with passport control at all.

I honestly don't know what is going through people's minds at all if they read that article and assume it was passport control?!?
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Just for your information in France the border Police ARE passport control. It's the Police at Charles de Gaulle that check your passport.

These women were clearly making a statement. I regularly fly to and from Doha and I'm coming back from Doha Saturday. Any women on that flight change their clothes before the flight lands.

They were standing up for their rights to be not allowed to drive, to enter shops by the rear (women only) entrance back in Saudi or face the wrath of the religious police.
 
zaminda said:
....... I would say that people moving to the west need to follow our rules, much like we do when we go to their countries. I would remove all terrorists, and those preaching hate from UK soil, where they weren't born in the country. Their rights have to come second to those people wanting to live in peace.
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I'm with you, on both points. When we are in foreign lands, we live by their rules, or we get slung out. When they're here, we alter our rules to suit them, or so it seems.

Were we to deport those visitors who refuse to fit in with us, then we may be shown greater respect.

Alec.
 
While we're on the subject. Why do women of Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin wear the middle eastern full veil ? the women certainly don't wear that garb in Pakistan or Bangladesh. I say they're just doing it to make a statement and stick two fingers up to Britain. It's like Brits going to the middle east wearing a miniskirt and expecting to get away with it.

France has more Muslims than any other country in Europe, most of them are from north Africa who don't wear the full veil so don't have an issue. The one's that did were being provocative. Multi race great, multi culture just causes divisions in society. France is trying to encourage integration.
 
Trakehner said:
Remember, these women are the followers of the religion that commits most of the terrorism. The saying, "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims."
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Congratulations! This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read on HHO, and that is saying something.

The most recent terrorist related-murders on UK soil were committed by people from a white 'Christian' denomination. But few people on this thread could remember the victim's names without Googling, or could pick them out of a line-up I bet. Maybe because brown people didn't kill them?

Totally agree Alec.
 
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Alec Swan said:
Have you ever stopped and asked the question, WHY?

Have you ever considered that the seats of terrorism are based in the lands where the Western World has interfered the most?

Terrorism is only ever born of and promoted by the Western World medalling with and manipulating the lives of those who either through culture or lack of ability (all so often tribal people), aren't able to defend themselves. Understandably, resentment grows and splinter groups form.

During the '50s and '60s, promoted mostly by the "Reds under the beds" brigade, we were terrified of Communists and Russia, in particular. Along came Glasnost, and we found that we had nothing to fear (that's a bit simplistic, I realise, but that was about it)!

By and large, the Muslim has no wish to take us over. They simply want us out of their faces, and they want to be left in peace. We have relied upon the fact that, by definition, the Muslims tend to be tribal people. They aren't able to put a cohesive resistance together (just as historically, the Scots couldn't) and so the extremists are born, and resistance tends to father terrorism.

There is no simple answer, but were we to remove our selves and our influence from the Middle East, and if the Arab terrorist had nothing to fight, then he'd return to his shell.

When we stop medalling in the affairs of the Muslim, then we will have nothing to fear. The above is all a bit simplistic, I realise, but am I alone in thinking that the best way to approach the war on terrorism, is to withdraw? No fight=no war.

Alec.
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Totally agree Alec, only adding that perhaps selling weapons to these countries might not be the brightest idea either.
 
CaveCanem said:
Congratulations! This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read on HHO, and that is saying something.

The most recent terrorist related-murders on UK soil were committed by people from a white 'Christian' denomination. But few people on this thread could remember the victim's names without Googling, or could pick them out of a line-up I bet. Maybe because brown people didn't kill them?

Totally agree Alec.
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This. I despair for humanity sometimes!
 
CaveCanem said:
Congratulations! This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read on HHO, and that is saying something.

The most recent terrorist related-murders on UK soil were committed by people from a white 'Christian' denomination. But few people on this thread could remember the victim's names without Googling, or could pick them out of a line-up I bet. Maybe because brown people didn't kill them?

Totally agree Alec.
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Totally agree with your comments about ignorance but surely the London tube/bus bombings were the last terrorist murders?
 
I rest my case :(

Two soldiers and two policemen have been killed on UK soil in the last three years. Another policeman had to have both legs amputated after a bomb exploded under his car. There have been numerous attempts to shoot or blow up police and army personnel in recent years.
 
CaveCanem said:
I rest my case :(

Two soldiers and two policemen have been killed on UK soil in the last three years. Another policeman had to have both legs amputated after a bomb exploded under his car. There have been numerous attempts to shoot or blow up police and army personnel in recent years.
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This
 
And in terms of sheer numbers (and terror), many more ordinary brown people have been killed by white people on brown soil than ordinary white people have been killed by brown people on white soil.
 
This is so well put, says it all! I'm so glad others think as I do, I usually get shot down in flames when I voice my feelings on the western worlds intervention in the name of democracy.
 
"We don't give in to terrorist's demands" and quite rightly so. One small point though, were we not so arrogant, that we failed to listen to the request, then the demand may not have been made. Is it that difficult for us to actually think about the way that the rest of the world sees us? Do we care? Do we ***k!! ;)

I've spent some time in the desert, and with Arabs, and because of my origin, I was respected. If only they'd known how ashamed I was, to be part of such a machine.

We will claim the rights of the Afghani women and particularly, the female children, and we'll tell the world that that's the reason, in part, for our presence. Then we try to justify a 2 year prison sentence, handed down to a man who has buggered small boys, and ruined their lives, and then I wonder just how we have the temerity to judge others, others who would have decapitated the man, without a second's thought!!

I have no answers, only more questions!! :D

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
"We don't give in to terrorist's demands" and quite rightly so. One small point though, were we not so arrogant, that we failed to listen to the request, then the demand may not have been made. Is it that difficult for us to actually think about the way that the rest of the world sees us? Do we care? Do we ***k!! ;)

I've spent some time in the desert, and with Arabs, and because of my origin, I was respected. If only they'd known how ashamed I was, to be part of such a machine.

We will claim the rights of the Afghani women and particularly, the female children, and we'll tell the world that that's the reason, in part, for our presence. Then we try to justify a 2 year prison sentence, handed down to a man who has buggered small boys, and ruined their lives, and then I wonder just how we have the temerity to judge others, others who would have decapitated the man, without a second's thought!!

I have no answers, only more questions!! :D

Alec.
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I was going to make the 'what about the women' claim. Won't now as I think you have covered it. I do think we have to get involved on occasion - I would hate to think we would have done nothing about the holocaust (although we did nothing about Rwanda) but I can't believe that the real reason we are in this part of the World is to protect the women sadly!
 
CaveCanem said:
I rest my case :(

Two soldiers and two policemen have been killed on UK soil in the last three years. Another policeman had to have both legs amputated after a bomb exploded under his car. There have been numerous attempts to shoot or blow up police and army personnel in recent years.
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Ah, of course.
 
I have often wondered what would happen if i went up the town in Camoflage and a wearing a balaclava pretty damm sure with my face covered I would soon have the attention of the Police. How can it be right for people to be walking around with their faces covered I have seen weomen driving in Leicester in the Full burqa only a slit to see out off how can this be right.
 
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