Dodgy breeders rant

[NOISYGIRL]

Was at local pet shop yesterday and our local dog charity was ther drumming up support, they had a few dogs with them, one of which was 1 of 4 cocker puppies they had been given, the lady I spoke to said they'd all go blind, it was hireditary (sp)

How can these people breed from them knowing the life they are going to have, I was in tears, I was reassured they would be fine and have a good life but it still sucks that they will be put through it through no fault of their own, I bet they'll be breeding more shortly from the poor bitch they came from.

If I had the room I'd have taken them all they were all gorgeous, all different breeds, there was a put who's eye had prolapsed so had been removed, I don't normally go for that type of breed but she was lovely, there was a really timid terrier type, god knows what had happened to make it that nervous, they were trying to get it used to people gently.

 

[s4sugar]

Actually I see this as a good sign.
That "breeder" made nothing from the puppies and so may be less likely to breed again and it is hopefully a sign that buyers might finally realise that there are questions to be asked prior to purchase?
If the public stopped buying poorly bred animals the production would lessen.

 

[tweedette]

Was at local pet shop yesterday and our local dog charity was ther drumming up support, they had a few dogs with them, one of which was 1 of 4 cocker puppies they had been given, the lady I spoke to said they'd all go blind, .

Charity drumming up support using puppies who will go blind - great!!! go for the awwwww factor , hit the general public in the pocket, to do what - buy them new eyes, if they knew this the pups should have been pts immediatley rather than use them as campaign material - disgraceful but typical charities.Shame on them!!! What will they do next bring starving children over ?

 

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Charity drumming up support using puppies who will go blind - great!!! go for the awwwww factor , hit the general public in the pocket, to do what - buy them new eyes, if they knew this the pups should have been pts immediatley rather than use them as campaign material - disgraceful but typical charities.Shame on them!!! What will they do next bring starving children over ?

Alas, I fear the starving children may be busy already, as this insightful news report highlights: http://newsthump.com/2009/03/11/starving-children-struggle-to-save-lenny-henry-career/

With regards the pups that are going to go blind.... I would be in the camp that says 'give them a chance'. Some dogs do adjust to blindness, and there are owners and rescues out there willing to go the extra step to manage the dogs' conditions. Obviously, some will struggle with blindness. In which case, I'm all for not letting them suffer. PTS is the kindest thing in that instance. However even in that case, if the dog is happy for the couple of years or so that it CAN see, let them enjoy those few years surely? Life is fleeting for us all, let the animals in your care enjoy their good times while they are here, even if it will end in (our) tears further down the line, when the responsible decision has to be made.

There is a poster on these very forums who has a spaniel pup with two separate eye disorders. From what I remember the pup is only able to see shadows. However, the person in question has both the time and inclination to help the pup develop and adapt and build it's confidence. No easy task and she seems to be doing a very good job Admittedly it would be harder with an adult dog, but it does go to show that with effort there can sometimes be hope; and that the effort and responsibility do depend on the owner/carer as well as the dog

 

[Cop-Pop]

Poop pups My uncle has just taken in a couple of EBTs that were poorly bred - he doesn't know what hes going to do with them (he breeds them and they were dumped on him). He got them both neutered but both are deaf and he's worried about one of them as it seems to have something else wrong with it. He tracked the breeder down and they were bred from a deaf mum

I don't know anything about blind from pup but Bear went about 90% blind when she was 12 - she lost the sight in one eye after an accident when she was 4 and her 'good' eye went downhill due to old age. She was cautious in new environments and at home we never left things out so she moved around fine OK so for the last 2 yrs of her life she didn't tank around or anything but she still enjoyed walks etc

 

[CorvusCorax]

Zalacca, PM East Kent or Arcazy, resident EBT rescue peeps!

 

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Zalacca, PM East Kent or Arcazy, resident EBT rescue peeps!

They're part of the breed rescue so they always have some in. Normally they come through the rescue but these were just dumped as the people knew they bred them so he did the leg work with them. Main problem is it looks like one may have something wrong mentally so either expensive work done or pts, not quite sure what theyre doing tbh coz I don't speak to him much.

 

[soloabe]

I think its actually just gives them a place to dump their bad puppies off for free!

 

[NOISYGIRL]

Charity drumming up support using puppies who will go blind - great!!! go for the awwwww factor , hit the general public in the pocket, to do what - buy them new eyes, if they knew this the pups should have been pts immediatley rather than use them as campaign material - disgraceful but typical charities.Shame on them!!! What will they do next bring starving children over ?

They are fostered until they can find them a home. Tbh I agree with you in a way, I think you have to think about the quality of life, and yes it may have been kinder to pts, but as someone else said, give them a chance until the time comes then decide, let them enjoy the time they have. I think its would be different if they were born blind. I've never experienced owning a blind dog but I think it maybe not so bad when it happens to an older dog, they know where everything is in the house etc. They home the dogs that will be pts by the RSPCA after 8 days so I think they are doing a good thing.

 

[Maisie2]

Look on Many Tears website - it's full of blind ex-breeding dogs of different breeds

 

[tweedette]

I have no problem with keeping oldies and know full well some of them cant see as well as they used to, but they have experienced life and generally know their way around where they live, or if put on a lead can cope really well using the human they know and trust as eyes . But puppies being used like that is real bad in my opinion, there are plenty puppies looking for a home that are healthy , to me it priorities . I wouldnt dream of running a pup that was blind or I thought could go blind no matter how good it was, nor would I pass my troubles on or repeat the mating - heaven forbid . Poor mites , though I feel sorry for them sometimes a bit of realism has to take over.

 

[EAST KENT]

Do Plummers have any hereditary eye conditions?
As to any dodgy stuff in bull terriers..just ask away,probably seen it all by now.

 

[tweedette]

Do Plummers have any hereditary eye conditions?
As to any dodgy stuff in bull terriers..just ask away,probably seen it all by now.

No problems whatsoever with eyes in plummers, not in our lines anyway. Have heard of cleft palate down south in some lines , but its generally brushed under the carpet and hushed up, but if you have your ear to te ground you get to find out, and I make it my business to find out. We have more people concerned that occasionally the breed throws out tri colours and putty noses, which makes you wonder is soundness, hereditory conditions or conformation secondary to some people than colour- its a mad world, but the ptgb, does register these dogs as we feel the gene pool needs all the dogs it can get so long as they are correct and sound, a good horse can never be a bad colour!!!!